I thought he was saying that from a strategic standpoint, lynching me would be ok (though giving me another night is best) because my flip has some relevence to the existence of a RB. Specifically, if I'm mafia, then there is an 80% less chance that RB exists, but still a chance that it does.

(quick in before breakfast)

what roles give alignment? LD cop... i hadn't gone though the process of thinking there was already enough info roles for the game size, so i prefered to cut the outing wreck i initiated to not include the cop too ^^.

@ bolded - ToS not Prof

also maybe there is the possibility that the cop hasn't outet himself because he investigated me^^ - and yes I don't think that there is a cop - just like heph implied.

thanks, repeated that so much that I don't think about what I type now.

I really don't like all these connections going on, prof and gow  linkz and vette

in adition to the conection heph made with stefl and the conection of the lovers.

I wish I had time to do my digging with connections but I'm lucky enough to be posting at all.

One other thing though. Heph you can't have it both ways. I currently thing you being a scum tracker is less likly than other options and thus whould make you town. However you are so sure I'm always wrong and that would then  make you scum. :P

you're not always wrong... only when it really counts =)

hope the trip's going well though ^^

I wouldn't mind a votal at one point... we're at 5 votes to lynch no? so it should still be in the safezone for everyone but knowing where we are would be nice.

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I've gone through all gow's posts and he comes off as town about as much as ToS did, to me.

Right now, I believe there are a couple possibilities.

FF&Vette

See another thing about the vette being the blocker thing was that I suspected that when he said that the alignment was in his role, it made me think that he had mafia alignment in his role. Like Town Roleblocker. There aren't many other roles that have the word TOWN in them. There's Townie, Town Roleblocker,,,aaand that's really it. It's specifically there for roles that can be on either team, so the designation makes sense. On the opposite side of the spectrum, there's mafia cop, mafia roleblocker.. anyhoo I digress.

(After looking at the OP, everyone's role has Town in it, or Pro-town.

FF seems really cautious this game, and seems to have defended wildvine's "vette defense". He also put in the hammer on the vote modkill, and said they should give wild another chance.

Heph&Steph

I can't help but remember that there were two shady cops as characters in gta4 who were bad guys. But I could be mistaken as I've looked through character lists and not found them. The ones I'm thinking of are in the top right of the OP picture, then 3 squares down on the staircase.
Eitherway, there is francis mcreary who's a cheif that has dirt on niko and makes niko go on missions for him. But he's a good guy. Either way, I don't like these two at all.

Linkz and Heph
Good possibility. LInkz even hinted that despite being a lover, he might have another power. And then when I commented on Linkz being bizarre, Heph then called me bizarre. When I asked Heph if my objection was correct, he agreed with me. So why throw that little dig at me if you agree? Additionally, I've disagreed with almost everything these two have had to say.

Linkz & ST
They each claim that the other is town. Recently, ST said that linkz was 95% town. I can't imagine where he plucked that number from and for what reason. It doesn't say that the other is town, which they've admitted but somehow are very confident in the other.
If it is the case that Linkz and ST are scum, it is very likely that there is another mafia floating around. 4 mafia, 2 of them being sibling-like, makes a lot of sense to me.

Going into tonight, we will be one short. IMO, these 5 are the ones we need to watch out for. 2 or them are linked, the other 3, independent.
Heph claims to be some kind of investigational role.
Linkz and ST are lovers, though may have other roles.
Vette claims to be vanilla
FF hasn't claimed.

It is also my opinion that none of these players will be killed tonight. I think it will probably be me or gow, because scum wouldn't want to narrow the pool of suspects for us.
Vette and FF are partially linked because of Wildvine. So they are a good opportunity, at least one of them.
Tomorrow we have a second lynch opportunity, and we really need to get something tonight.

QUESTION @ABC: If a lover dies during the day, does the other die at night? Or the following day?

Depending on what ABC answers, I'd say the best course of action would be to lynch a lover and then either FF or vette. I say this because if the other lover dies tonight, then we will know if there are three mafia (2 as lovers), or not. If one shows up as town, then we can almost guarantee that there are another 2 mafia, and would point to vette and FF. If both show up as mafia, that would indicate only one other potential scum, which I would think is Heph.

However, if there are 3 scum, then that means game is over tonight if we mislynch. Man, I gotta rule that out.

Yaknow what, I'm going with FF or Vette.

Most likely Vette as Wildvine defended him.

Sorry Vette, as mafia you usually do post more, and this game you've been VERY active, much more than you usually are. If you're town, then that points to Heph and Linkz as the mafia. I gotta have this information, and if you're vanilla, it's the safest bet to go with you.

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err if the lovers are both scum, they sure as hell ain't lovers, that'd be a pretty big hindrance to the scum team ^^

you misread, i proposed 3 remaining scum with 2 of them being lovers. 4 mafia in a 13 game is already unproportionately balanced toward scum, so making 2 of them lovers makes it a 3 mafia team, with one the survives an extra night after being killed. (in a way) Also, they get an extra power. So more balanced.