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OK, I need to stop looking at the two of you, despite how I feel about your ideas.

Wildvine has, in a way, cleared linkz (and by association, ST) (plz plz plz plz plz)

And you, well, I don't know. I believe, maybe, that stefl is town. You I'm not so sure about, Heph.

After that, I have GoW, Vette, and FF left, of which 1, maybe 2 (if you're town) are mafia.

My paranoia is done for now.



Hephaestos said:
theprof00 said:

2. Shouldn't this be making sense to you? 4 People claimed to be town in response to questions of "are you townie/mafia" If those 4 people are all town, what is the need to block stefl? Block someone else, kill one of the 4, rendering stefl potentially useless, and simply manipulate stefl. WHy do I need to know exactly what they're thinking? There is potential for them to do it, and many benefit over actually RBing stefl. It's both preferable and likely.

3.No, I do not actually have to have a killing power. The RB only need think that I do. But yes, Vette would likely have to be scum. Or something like that. There's a lot of variations there could be that don't involve Vette, but point to the thinking that I have a killing role. From this basic derivation, someone who didn't believe my claim would be one to look at. The idea that it could be to protect Vette is only one aspect of that idea.

2. sorry i thought i pointed it out earlier too, but i don't see the benefits...this assumes the 4 are town, otherwise you have 50% chance that a scum is actually caught (or 50% or more). Moreover, did you know stefl's role day one?

3. although it serves the anti vette point, the protecting vett point assumes they knew who you are...

2. exactly. I'll admit that's it's possibly a stretch, but those 4 being town and them knowing stefl's role is a pretty good probability. No, I didn't know he was LD. People often ask questions like that just in case there is an LD, safely providing the LD with material while safe-guarding the LD himself. I thought stefl was doing just that. However, had I been mafia, or looking for roles, then it might have made me think twice.

3. no, the protecting vette point assumes that they THINK they know who I am, OR that they THINK that I was lying about being near-vanilla. I didn't necessarily imply being third party, in fact, I never meant to, because I'm not.  But it could make someone think that I'm an SK looking for my psych (despite me saying that I win with town RIGHT NOW (this was said back on day 1, page 1), and not after some complicated role process). It is plausible that scum thought I was an SK or some killing role.



theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:

ummmm.....okkkk.

 

wait, what?

If I'm lynched and flip town, then an RB exists? I can't possibly see how'd you come to the other conclusion, so that must be it. Those are pretty bad means to an end, linkz.

What "other conclusion"? Exactly, hence the bold.

the other conclusion would be I flip mafia, but that doesn't say anything in reference to the RB. I didn't think you'd come to that conclusion because it doesn't have any informational benefit.

If you flip mafia that's always a good lynch. Plus it could very well rule out there actually being a RB. Either you'd flip RB also, or given nobody else counterclaimed being RBed it would point to your partner not being RB either or hitting a vanilla.(that assumedly wouldn't be informed) It would reduce the odds of there being an RB down to like 20%.

oh cmon, you're splitting hairs.

Lynching me is a good way to reduce the odds of there being an RB by 80%, and there's always the chance that I'm mafia?

I mean c'mon man, seriously, wtf is that?

THat's like saying I want to lynch you specifically because you could be mafia and reduce the odds of something else, in some theoretical way. Where's your game, linkz?

And when I flip town? Then there IS a roleblocker who has thus far refused to claim and clear the air, and you are further away from town victory than before.

You put THAT on the same level as lynching Heph to clear stef?

I'll agree with FF, this game really IS bizarre.

but leaving both alive for another round of night actions is probably best.

Heph would be a far better lynch than you, and I'm not interested in that either. From a purely informational standpoint, you two offer the most. Followed by Stefl and ST or myself. Just because it's a good lynch information wise does not mean I'd be for it. Especially not when far more can be gained over another night of actions.



theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said: Big ass post

First, lolz at the Wonk dig. :P

Now, there's pretty big flaw(2 actually) in your theory of scum Tracker Heph. Just to make sure I have it right, you think that if he's scum he knew(or at least had plenty of evidence to think strongly) already that Stefl was LD?

yes. What's the flaw?

1. You believe the RB is scum, due to my reasoning which was based on Heph being town.

2. And if that is ignored, why didn't they simply RB Stefl instead of you and try to find power elsewhere?

3. Your theory that you were blocked to prevent Vette's death only makes sense if you actually are the vig(and not SK, though mafia wouldn't know either way yet) AND Vette is also scum.

1. It is? I thought it was based on my own reasoning. Specifically where I said LD the role-bodyguard Scum RB makes for good balance, on top of RB not claiming yet, on top of there being, so far, town power roles, and overly-coordination-dependent mafia roles. (Like, RBing the hider, so that another role can do something to them) I could go on.

2. Shouldn't this be making sense to you? 4 People claimed to be town in response to questions of "are you townie/mafia" If those 4 people are all town, what is the need to block stefl? Block someone else, kill one of the 4, rendering stefl potentially useless, and simply manipulate stefl. WHy do I need to know exactly what they're thinking? There is potential for them to do it, and many benefit over actually RBing stefl. It's both preferable and likely.

3.No, I do not actually have to have a killing power. The RB only need think that I do. But yes, Vette would likely have to be scum. Or something like that. There's a lot of variations there could be that don't involve Vette, but point to the thinking that I have a killing role. From this basic derivation, someone who didn't believe my claim would be one to look at. The idea that it could be to protect Vette is only one aspect of that idea.

1. I'm going by your vote where you just latched onto my theory. Yes I realize you provided your own reasoning later.(though you still missed where I pointed out that sidekick does not counter kills according to the wiki, though that does point to a doc or true bodyguard) Why would mafia RB block mafia Hider?

2. You don't think confirmed townies are dangerous to scum? Killing one of the 4(which wasn't known until today. It could have been possible for the LD to investigate ANY post, which would've meant he could've investigated anyone including scum) means Stefl would have a 75% chance of confirming someone else. Why block an unknown if scum has evidence of a cop-like role? It is far from preferable or likely.



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Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:
Hephaestos said:

So you knew, or at least had good reason to believe Stefl was LD at the time of your unvote? You didn't think he was the cop at all?

as i said (or tried to) many times, i knew he was LD when he said he knew prof was pro town shortly before dawn. If i ever thought of cop on him it'd have been reading his post thinking he was fake claiming cop.... then i made the connections and unvoted.

I was just making sure, and furthermore, in your own words. Explain the warning in this post



You got to be kidding me. Last night there were hadly any comments at all, now I'm confronted with 83 new posts...

I read them when I wake up, I'm too drunk to get anything rigth now.



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Linkzmax said:
Final-Fan said:

I got interrupted before reading Page 26 (@50).  Having done so, a lot of what prof has said increases my suspicion of Heph.  And I was suspicious of him before that.  So, sorry Linkz but I once again am willing to

Vote Hephaestos.

Why are you apologizing to me?

Because you don't want to lynch Heph?  It was kind of a throwaway line, rather than an actual apology, like "I know this is against what you want to do but I'm doing it anyway". 



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theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:

the other conclusion would be I flip mafia, but that doesn't say anything in reference to the RB. I didn't think you'd come to that conclusion because it doesn't have any informational benefit.

If you flip mafia that's always a good lynch. Plus it could very well rule out there actually being a RB. Either you'd flip RB also, or given nobody else counterclaimed being RBed it would point to your partner not being RB either or hitting a vanilla.(that assumedly wouldn't be informed) It would reduce the odds of there being an RB down to like 20%.

oh cmon, you're splitting hairs.
Lynching me is a good way to reduce the odds of there being an RB by 80%, and there's always the chance that I'm mafia?
I mean c'mon man, seriously, wtf is that?
THat's like saying I want to lynch you specifically because you could be mafia and reduce the odds of something else, in some theoretical way. Where's your game, linkz?
And when I flip town? Then there IS a roleblocker who has thus far refused to claim and clear the air, and you are further away from town victory than before.
You put THAT on the same level as lynching Heph to clear stef?
I'll agree with FF, this game really IS bizarre.

So just to be clear here, Linkz is suspecting you lied about being blocked? 



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Linkzmax said:

but leaving both alive for another round of night actions is probably best.

Heph would be a far better lynch than you, and I'm not interested in that either. From a purely informational standpoint, you two offer the most. Followed by Stefl and ST or myself. Just because it's a good lynch information wise does not mean I'd be for it. Especially not when far more can be gained over another night of actions.

Just because there is a disclaimer doesn't mean that your logic is now automatically sound. Let's say heph dies tonight, the disclaimer is then fulfilled and we're back to my questioning of your proposal.

In the case that you're trying to give me leeway in an inconspicuous way, I'm sorry for being so concerned about details, but I already said I was going to leave you alone, and bickering over this kind of thing isn't going to progress the game especially when wildvine's "perma-vote" was on you.