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Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said: Big ass post

First, lolz at the Wonk dig. :P

Now, there's pretty big flaw(2 actually) in your theory of scum Tracker Heph. Just to make sure I have it right, you think that if he's scum he knew(or at least had plenty of evidence to think strongly) already that Stefl was LD?

yes. What's the flaw?



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theprof00 said:

After some time thinking about it, it doesn't matter if we get the roleblocker or not. Typically, mafia cannot both use an ability and kill at the same time. Therefore, should there be only 2 mafia left, killing one of the two will force a decision to either block or kill. (there is still the possibility that he can do both to the same player. But I sincerely doubt he can visit two different players) So, specifically getting the roleblocker isn't that important. It's good to know that he's scum though.

There is a lot of debate on this. Many believe it is unfair to penalize mafia by essentially removing their ability to roleblock should either player be lynched/killed. Some mods would allow both a kill and RB, on different targets even. I have no idea how ABC would handle it, but I for one decided the mafia RB could've done both so it isn't a given that any mafia kill will force the forfeiture of RBing.



Linkzmax said:
Hephaestos said:

So you knew, or at least had good reason to believe Stefl was LD at the time of your unvote? You didn't think he was the cop at all?

i believe I can answer this question for him. Stefl's claim made him "tick" back to the evidence that he had and suddenly the message made sense.



Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:

After some time thinking about it, it doesn't matter if we get the roleblocker or not. Typically, mafia cannot both use an ability and kill at the same time. Therefore, should there be only 2 mafia left, killing one of the two will force a decision to either block or kill. (there is still the possibility that he can do both to the same player. But I sincerely doubt he can visit two different players) So, specifically getting the roleblocker isn't that important. It's good to know that he's scum though.

There is a lot of debate on this. Many believe it is unfair to penalize mafia by essentially removing their ability to roleblock should either player be lynched/killed. Some mods would allow both a kill and RB, on different targets even. I have no idea how ABC would handle it, but I for one decided the mafia RB could've done both so it isn't a given that any mafia kill will force the forfeiture of RBing.

or ABC could've taken what I said in the thread and gone with that.



theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:
theprof00 said:

you do realize that the only other person to vote for stefl on day 1 was silver tiger, correct?

He also voted for his lover as well

I'm more curious as to why Heph would use an ability on stefl, when the only person to vote for him was ST.  I know he said, "suspicions from other players" and not "votes from other players" as justification, but I do find it odd in any case.

I can certainly understand using an ability on Stefl. I don't recall if I mentioned this already, but he was the one I meant when I said someone should be forced to roleclaim day three. I took Stefl's rise in activity as a sign that he had power, either as town or as scum. Stefl was also fairly unlikely to be killed at night due to some suspicion on him,(I did not think TOS was obvtown, but with nearly zero people listing him as a suspect he was a fairly likely night kill target) but did not have so much suspicion that he was likely going to be lynched anyway.(There's little reason to out oneself to save a townie, and zero reason to make sure scum that is likely to be lynched anyway is definitely lynched)



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theprof00 said:
Hephaestos said:

err are you telling me here you appreciate my inputs so far cause you're mafia?

 

but you forgot a point =D what if i'm completely wrong and stefl is mafia? that'd be fun :p

are you even trying?

Yaknow, I just don't have anything concrete on you. I made my case primarily because I see you slipping through the cracks, and want to remind everyone that you're not off the hook. I'm reminded of your SK performance in the GoW round, where you were skating around after being recruited by mafia.

However, the only thing I cannot figure out, and which may be your confirmation of town, is that you asked for the vig to kill vette, yet I was blocked, and from what I've seen thus far, I'm most widely understood to be a third party (which is what a vig is).

This piece of evidence I either don't understand, or is your salvation.

It's either that you have some plan I don't yet understand, or that someone didn't want me to kill vette. There's probably other reasons, as well.

Vig isn't third party. That would mean that if town vig were to eliminate all mafia, then the vig would still have to eliminate townies to get down to 1on1.



Final-Fan said:

I got interrupted before reading Page 26 (@50).  Having done so, a lot of what prof has said increases my suspicion of Heph.  And I was suspicious of him before that.  So, sorry Linkz but I once again am willing to

Vote Hephaestos.

Why are you apologizing to me?



theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:

Linkzmax said:

 Confirmation wise, Heph(in reference to Stefl) or prof(in reference to RB) would be good lynches, but leaving both alive for another round of night actions is probably best.

i'm a good lynch to clear a roleblocker who hasn't even claimed?

Where did I say someone would be cleared? You would confirm that one exists. At this point all we have is your word that one does.

ummmm.....okkkk.

 

wait, what?

If I'm lynched and flip town, then an RB exists? I can't possibly see how'd you come to the other conclusion, so that must be it. Those are pretty bad means to an end, linkz.

What "other conclusion"? Exactly, hence the bold.



Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:
Hephaestos said:

err are you telling me here you appreciate my inputs so far cause you're mafia?

 

but you forgot a point =D what if i'm completely wrong and stefl is mafia? that'd be fun :p

are you even trying?

Yaknow, I just don't have anything concrete on you. I made my case primarily because I see you slipping through the cracks, and want to remind everyone that you're not off the hook. I'm reminded of your SK performance in the GoW round, where you were skating around after being recruited by mafia.

However, the only thing I cannot figure out, and which may be your confirmation of town, is that you asked for the vig to kill vette, yet I was blocked, and from what I've seen thus far, I'm most widely understood to be a third party (which is what a vig is).

This piece of evidence I either don't understand, or is your salvation.

It's either that you have some plan I don't yet understand, or that someone didn't want me to kill vette. There's probably other reasons, as well.

Vig isn't third party. That would mean that if town vig were to eliminate all mafia, then the vig would still have to eliminate townies to get down to 1on1.

that's not true.
haha, that IS true. Strange, I always thought vigilante was a third party that wins with town. (I am not that person, despite the wording)



theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said: Big ass post

First, lolz at the Wonk dig. :P

Now, there's pretty big flaw(2 actually) in your theory of scum Tracker Heph. Just to make sure I have it right, you think that if he's scum he knew(or at least had plenty of evidence to think strongly) already that Stefl was LD?

yes. What's the flaw?

You believe the RB is scum, due to my reasoning which was based on Heph being town. And if that is ignored, why didn't they simply RB Stefl instead of you and try to find power elsewhere? Your theory that you were blocked to prevent Vette's death only makes sense if you actually are the vig(and not SK, though mafia wouldn't know either way yet) AND Vette is also scum.