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theprof00 said:

I just wanted to once again clarify that getting the RB today is not necessary. If we can get ONE of the mafia, RB or not, then mafia won't be able to RB AND kill tonight (assuming three total mafia).


assuming a sibling is mafia, there could be 4 (since the sibling one doesn't weigh much)



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Hephaestos said:
theprof00 said:

Was it Heph that said a cop should come out? I remember him noting that scum would have to choose between 3 investigative roles and couldn't possibly get all of them, but I don't remember exactly if he was the one to propose it.

Again, if Heph isn't scum with the knowledge that they could indeed "deal" with more than one investigative role, then he's the mafia's best friend, imo.

no that was linkz I believe ^^ I responded to it though agreeing that they'd have a hard time killing everyone before a shark got caught.

 

You seem to be missremembering an awfull lot of things this game...

c'mon dude try harder.



Hephaestos said:
theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:
theprof00 said:

you do realize that the only other person to vote for stefl on day 1 was silver tiger, correct?


He also voted for his lover as well

I'm more curious as to why Heph would use an ability on stefl, when the only person to vote for him was ST.  I know he said, "suspicions from other players" and not "votes from other players" as justification, but I do find it odd in any case.

................ stefl was the one without suspicion from others hence why him...

recall this proff, when you're scum, who do you use for the kill? the one that has 100% chance of having a cop/tracker/whatever on his back or the one that no one suspects?

THe person that is least likely to be lynched. The confirmed player



ok prof, I don't know why but every time we have an exchange this game your response shows you understood the opposit of what I was trying to say.

I dunno if it's you or me, but something's really off in the communication here ^^



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Hephaestos said:

ok prof, I don't know why but every time we have an exchange this game your response shows you understood the opposit of what I was trying to say.

I dunno if it's you or me, but something's really off in the communication here ^^

I just see you being a coincidentally good scum player this game.
Not even noticing wildvine. After the flip (Oh he stood out a lot to me)
having all investigators outed is ok
Outing stefl without thinking (despite being involved in the whole first part of the game wherein LD was even brought up, and having the evidence, yet needing stef's verification to piece it together)
One of the only people to believe I was creating confusion rather than "slipping".

There's points you've brought up that I've agreed with, but I can't help thinking that if I were mafia, I'd consider you an honorary one.



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Part of the "miscommunication" is that I'm reading your actions as to their eventual outcomes, and you're simply saying, "that isn't the case".

In your lynch trains, I see easily defendable votes.
In your suggestions I see manipulation (seriously, you asked for a vig to kill vette on day 1)
In your role, I see easily forged information



theprof00 said:
Hephaestos said:

ok prof, I don't know why but every time we have an exchange this game your response shows you understood the opposit of what I was trying to say.

I dunno if it's you or me, but something's really off in the communication here ^^

I just see you being a coincidentally good scum player this game.
Not even noticing wildvine. After the flip (Oh he stood out a lot to me)
having all investigators outed is ok
Outing stefl without thinking (despite being involved in the whole first part of the game wherein LD was even brought up, and having the evidence, yet needing stef's verification to piece it together)
One of the only people to believe I was creating confusion rather than "slipping".

There's points you've brought up that I've agreed with, but I can't help thinking that if I were mafia, I'd consider you an honorary one.

err are you telling me here you appreciate my inputs so far cause you're mafia?

but I did warn that MVP awards have a side effect on my next game :p

 

(and on wildvine you missunderstand me again, He didn't stand out to me, his pseudo defence of vette did).

 

but you forgot a point =D what if i'm completely wrong and stefl is mafia? that'd be fun :p



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theprof00 said:

Part of the "miscommunication" is that I'm reading your actions as to their eventual outcomes, and you're simply saying, "that isn't the case".

In your lynch trains, I see easily defendable votes.
In your suggestions I see manipulation (seriously, you asked for a vig to kill vette on day 1)
In your role, I see easily forged information


1) seen any better lynch proposals than mine? (don't say zarx as we have an answer on that already ^^)

2-3) eerrr no I can't deny the appearance of that ^^



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Hephaestos said:

err are you telling me here you appreciate my inputs so far cause you're mafia?

 

but you forgot a point =D what if i'm completely wrong and stefl is mafia? that'd be fun :p

are you even trying?

Yaknow, I just don't have anything concrete on you. I made my case primarily because I see you slipping through the cracks, and want to remind everyone that you're not off the hook. I'm reminded of your SK performance in the GoW round, where you were skating around after being recruited by mafia.

However, the only thing I cannot figure out, and which may be your confirmation of town, is that you asked for the vig to kill vette, yet I was blocked, and from what I've seen thus far, I'm most widely understood to be a third party (which is what a vig is).

This piece of evidence I either don't understand, or is your salvation.

It's either that you have some plan I don't yet understand, or that someone didn't want me to kill vette. There's probably other reasons, as well.



Hephaestos said:
Final-Fan said:

FoS Heph for saying he wasn't the role cop, then basically claiming role cop, and also the fact that role cops are usually scum roles. 

I was going to FoS theprof for claiming he's (almost) vanilla townie yet somehow gets notified of being RBed, but there's not really any reason for scum to lie about it IMO -- or to tell the truth if they got RBed. 

Not sure whether I'd rather vote Heph or Vette. 

Why wouldn't scum announce they got RBed?

1) their buddies don't know till the next night so it dissiminates info to scum.

2) It would potentially help outing the town RB or roles due to a witchhunt. (we got a Vett roleclaim (which i don't currently believe)).

3) If the RB is scum and targeted... say Trucks who had no active role and is now dead... then this is the perfect opportunity to appear town in the event that the RB is lynched. (recall proff saying that trucks was the obvious townie after yesterday...)

So if anything, scum SHOULD lie about it.

Also interesting that you put Vette at the same level as me in your suspicion (yet no FoS), when you haven't voiced much against him. And for your info I didn't claim role cop, they get the role, I had flavor and said it wasn't usual to my role.

FoS FF for setting Prof up on a town claim. (and no this isn't revenge, 1) you voted me earlier today, 2) you're one of the 3 people on my shortlist for today anyways).

See, my thinking is that NORMALLY you only know you get roleblocked if you have an actual power that does something that you tried to use.  If then.  So popping up and saying "hey I got roleblocked" only sets him up to have to make up some role later on, when if he was silent he could just claim vanilla townie. 

So, he'd have to have a good reason to report that fact.  Telling his scummates doesn't count as one:  either they already know because [whatever] didn't happen, or he can tell them at night assuming he doesn't get lynched.  If he gets lynched he could probably still blurt it out before nightfall. 

I didn't see any such compelling reason for prof to (as scum) claim he was roleblocked, honestly or falsely.  But if you can think of one feel free to tell me, because then there'd be reason to suspect him IMO. 

@ why I didn't vote Linkz:  didn't I?  The situation must have changed then, or I changed my mind, because when I was asking that question it was seriously the only thing stopping me from voting him just to end the day.  Wasn't that about when people unvoted en masse?  I wasn't going to push what I thought was a mislynch; I was only ready to support it if the lynch was clearly both almost at majority and the only viable lynch on the horizon.  For the sake of ending that Goddamned day. 

@ my suspicions of Heph/Vette:  I suspect him, yet I'm aware that I don't have specific justifications I can point to.  So obviously I can't enumerate them. 



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