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Vetteman94 said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:
Vetteman94 said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:

True, but you don't have a connection with someone else, now do you ? everyone else does ? wonk was mod confirmed, linkz/s-t are linked as are stefl/heph (though heph might be lying and the treacherous lover thing is possible) and I don't see why prof would make up random BS about a roleblocker. 

What is the link between Heph and Stefl?  Other than the PM that made Heph think he knew his role,  whether he is right remains to be seen.  And why does someone become less of a suspect because they are linked with someone else?

And as for prof,  he made up that he knew I was the Roleblocker,  sure he retracked that statement, but its not beyond him to make that up.  

And if I was the roleblocker,  I would be linked to theprof,  so like everyone else that has a link that makes me innocent right?

You misunderstood me.

1. Linkz and Silver-Tiger, each other's claims back them up. Obviously, since they're lovers. Sure, one of them being scum is a possibility, but we'd have to wait it out I guess, maybe have the cop investigate them ?

2. I highly doubt both Stefl and Heph is lying about their roles, because it would be fucking stupid if they can't provide results after a fake claim. If one of them is indeed lying, it'd be Heph. But since he investigated Stefl, and supposedly got a flavoured result PM, it links them. Heph can vouch for Stefl, whom I don't think is lying.

3. You may be the roleblocker, and you may have blocked prof. But that doesn't give you the type of link I'm talking about here. No one here can confirm that you are the roleblocker based on substantial evidence.

I guess you could say the same thing about Heph though, but as he comes forward to vouch for stefl, it looks good. He might be trying to fool us with an evil master plan, but I'm seeing what happens if we do trust him right now.

As I said before, I think its in the best interest of the town to catch the roleblocker, and I believe prof when he says there is one. Prof was sure you were the roleblocker at one stage based on the info he had, and due to his memory of the events on day 1.

1.  That could take 2 days waiting on ivestigations,  and that if he doesnt get killed and tkae his information with him.

2. Heph may be able to vouch for Stefl because he is scum and knows who is Pro-Town.  But it sounds like all you have there is gut feelings and no good evidence.

3. Im not the Roleblocker, so I couldnt block theprof. Yet you are willing to lynch me without such evidence, in fact 0 evidence.

Trusting anyone who isnt confirmed town is ridiculous,  and for that person to be Heph makes it even worse.

And as I said before,  making the Roleblocker a top priority is dangerous and narrow minded,  Scum should be what you are looking for,  as there is no gauruntee that the Roleblocker is scum.  And theprof may have been blocked by one,  but he had no info that I was one other than I thought there was a blocked kill the first night.  And his memory was wrong on alot of what he brought up, people have had to correct him on his memory of this game.  So how is that good evidence?

1. For all we know, the cop already investigated one of them. So one more day to go ?

2. Look at it this way - If Heph is town, he'd be trusting Stefl right now, essentially clearing them both (if Heph is 100% correct about the way he interprets the data he has).

If Heph is anti-town, he is either trying to gain Stefl's trust and hide behind it or covering up for his scumbuddy stefl.

Out of those three probabilities, the first 2 sound the most likely to me, and due to the "connection" that I feel between them, I feel they shouldn't be attacked today atleast.

I don't trust Heph 100%, but I'm not pursuing that right now because I do think the roleblocker should be caught.

3. Evidence ? You are right, I have none to prove that you're the roleblocker, but it has to be either you or final-fan, based on those who are left.  Also, your behaviour on day one was uneven, not that it matters much here, but its still something to look at.

I never said prof's memory was good evidence, just pointed out that he thought you were the roleblocker based on what he remmembered you posting.



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Silver-Tiger said:
Vetteman94 said:

What is logical about lynching me today?   Where is your evidence that I am the RoleBlocker?   I dare any one of you people to find evidence to support these BS theories.  I have already roleclaimed, what more do you want.  

Why isnt anyone looking at the Lovers?  Why isnt one dead from a Mafia kill and the other dying tomorrow?  Maybe because one of them is Mafia.  And losing a second so quickly would hurt their chances too much.  


It's simple, really. With all the attention we both got, did you seriously think scum targets one of us? The scums aren't stupid, it's highly likely that a tracker watched us, if the scum tried to kill us, he would be instantly outed.

Also I think scum are trying to convince the town of the treacherous lover thing, hoping town would mislynch us eventually.

The scum would have been stupid to not try for a 2 for 1 deal in you 2. Plus a watcher or tracker could only cover one of you, so they wouldnt have been instantly outed. And even if one did get outed,  they still got 2 townies for one mafia.  

And I think Lovers that defend the other blindly when they do not know each others alignment are Treacherous Lovers hoping to stay alive and foll everyone into thinking they are innocent



the lovers are a non issue really...

A) they are both town... so no prob

B) there is a treacheous lover... it's a 1:1 ratio, this does not affect the victory... well unless the other is killed on the last night, but in that case, the scum might as well kill the other townies alive. The only place where this becomes a problem is when the lover is the last mafia, and there sure as hell ain't just 2 mafia with one of them a lover ^^



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Hephaestos said:

the lovers are a non issue really...

A) they are both town... so no prob

B) there is a treacheous lover... it's a 1:1 ratio, this does not affect the victory... well unless the other is killed on the last night, but in that case, the scum might as well kill the other townies alive. The only place where this becomes a problem is when the lover is the last mafia, and there sure as hell ain't just 2 mafia with one of them a lover ^^

If they were both town why werent one of them killed in the first night then to get rid of 2 townies in ones shot?



Vetteman94 said:
Hephaestos said:

the lovers are a non issue really...

A) they are both town... so no prob

B) there is a treacheous lover... it's a 1:1 ratio, this does not affect the victory... well unless the other is killed on the last night, but in that case, the scum might as well kill the other townies alive. The only place where this becomes a problem is when the lover is the last mafia, and there sure as hell ain't just 2 mafia with one of them a lover ^^

If they were both town why werent one of them killed in the first night then to get rid of 2 townies in ones shot?

cause the mafia prefered to go at power roles and confuse town?

but obviously you missed my point that they were not an issue till we have at least one more scum...



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Vetteman94 said:

Also,   when did the roleblocker become only an Anti-Town role?   We have had a few games here that had a Pro-Town Roleblocker.  So focusing strickly on a role that has a possibility of being town is dangerous and narrow minded

my initial thoughts were that the RB was town and blocked me as a "friendly neighbor"-esque confirmation. I would then look through for someone hinting at being the RB and I could then confirm that person.

But nobody has hinted, and you were one of the only people who mentioned one, saying "maybe a kill was blocked".

I did some thinking about why that hint among a sea of nothingness, and came to the conclusion that it cannot be pro-town. I based my conclusion on the fact that nobody has hinted, that all the roles seem to be on the town side, and that the only hint I do see is either too knowledgable about the mafia (second kill, though probably a one-shot), or trying too hard to appear pro-town.

I'm not saying that you did either of the latter, it's just a logical possibility. It's something I would consider doing myself.

That's why I believe RB is mafia. It's not why I think YOU are roleblocker, it's why I think RB is scum. (just to clarify)



Vetteman94 said:

The scum would have been stupid to not try for a 2 for 1 deal in you 2. Plus a watcher or tracker could only cover one of you, so they wouldnt have been instantly outed. And even if one did get outed,  they still got 2 townies for one mafia.  

And I think Lovers that defend the other blindly when they do not know each others alignment are Treacherous Lovers hoping to stay alive and foll everyone into thinking they are innocent

You act as if mafia can't get this 2 for 1 deal on a later night.

Which of us blindly defended the other?



I don't have time to say much, but my current thinking is to lynch GOW or FF.



Vetteman94 said:
Hephaestos said:

the lovers are a non issue really...

A) they are both town... so no prob

B) there is a treacheous lover... it's a 1:1 ratio, this does not affect the victory... well unless the other is killed on the last night, but in that case, the scum might as well kill the other townies alive. The only place where this becomes a problem is when the lover is the last mafia, and there sure as hell ain't just 2 mafia with one of them a lover ^^

If they were both town why werent one of them killed in the first night then to get rid of 2 townies in ones shot?


several reasons some of which have been named but here they are again or in adition. (greetings from Winnemucca btw)

the two lovers were more likly to get protection or trackers/ so they could be stopped or found out

the two lovers didnt' seem to have other abilites so they could go after someone else hope to find a power

the two were very close to being lynched yeterday so they could be left to draw suspicion and potentially get the town to lynch them instead and thus the town kills too of our own for the mafia



Linkzmax said:

I don't have time to say much, but my current thinking is to lynch GOW or FF.

Vote for me or him then. We're just sitting ducks right now. When I used to wake up after sleep, I'd have more than 70 posts to read...Today there was 8. Why the inactivity ?