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Hephaestos on 25 May 2011
Wonktonodi said:
Hephaestos said:
Wonktonodi said:
Linkzmax said:
Wonktonodi said:

Plus it would be a uselsess role if randomized. Also the questions stefl asked day one. Made sence to me. I just hope he's not penalized now that you said his role.

Yes, Cop is still useful even if randomized, LD not so much. The rules say there's a penalty only if someone says their role/ability and it is true. It'd be rediculous to try to keep everyone from speculating on each others' roles.

Lie detector in the wiki has varations that say the ability is lost if claimed or the town figures it out.

now that is info the scum don't need if ever true...

You like turning potential Kill grabbers into useless town figures don't you? (why die when I can be voteless? why die when the other power roles can?)

I never had a vote and by coming forward although scum won't kill me pro town roles won't target me either.

As for him. Think about it for a moment. There won't be some Mod message saying that his role is no more so for them it is a risk either way. Personally with how powerful his role is I don't think the scum would risk letting him live even if there is a chance his ability might be gone.

Don't be  complaining about my playstyle mr I'm-going-to-out-two-powerroles-with-no-scum. :P

sorry sorry, not voteless, just useless =)

(can't llamas be whooled? that's a use for you!)



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Linkzmax on 25 May 2011
Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:
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well I'm at work and have more than that on my plate. It's not like I work at a firestation and have off-duty time. I work retail, so I apologize if my vote wasn't on the right person. I agree with your point, but I also got my answers.

I thought I mentioned that I'm a volunteer firefighter. I have a full-time job as well that prevents me from posting during most days.

Yes, the answer was most important and that's what I would have pushed to get too if I had gotten online before it was already put forth.


fos you too then (again)

To be honest, reading through the posts I would have been happy with a paraphrasing of the flavor you say you got. I had already pieced things together to the point that I was satisfied for today at least, and just wanted to make sure you were "locked" in one direction.



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theprof00 on 25 May 2011
Wonktonodi said:
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Actually my guess was that stefl was an amnesiac cop, and heph was a tracker, and that stefl had investigated ToS while Heph followed stefl and the results were sent randomly to Heph, hence why he said, "I doubt I'll get any other flavor".

The big piece of this puzzle that is still missing is why Heph thinks he won't get any flavor later, and why the flavor that he gotmade him think lie detector. "stefl thinks trucks asks too many questions" doesn't come off to me as lie detector, and doesn't even come off as mafia. If I were to read that in my pm, I would think trucks is a cop or some kind of investigator.


my guess was Heph tracked Stefl got a result that he targeted ToS and had some flavor. Sees ToS dead at the start of the day thinks it's Stefl. Then after Stefl said a few things it made Heph reread his flavor to see that it hints Stefl wasn't the killer and in fact has a very powerfull role.

c'mon really? A tracker who also gets flavor?

Again. Stefl said he had 4 choices, and Heph said it was ToS, Prof, Linkz, ST (the loverz).

Picking ANYONE except the lovers was a poor choice. ToS was so obviously town that it hurts to think about. The biggest variable, the make or break part of the game, is whether one of them is scum. I really don't care about anything else than that. We need to cover our bases, and to me the whole stefl/Heph thing is 2 HUGE mistakes (1 by each player) that shouldn't have happened.

No offense to either of you, you did what you thought was best...I guess. I just can't see those mistakes happening purposefully. And I'm not on my high horse here either. I just know that as long as we take care of the variables, then we're ok, and we haven't done that in any shape or form yet.



Linkzmax on 25 May 2011
theprof00 said:

Ok, for my next question...roleblocker this game...mafia or town?

If there even is one, then it would have to be mafia if Heph and Stefl are both town. A town roleblocker is mostly manipulative, but also weak protection/investigation. No night kill means there's a decent chance that the killer was blocked from acting, and that's just too many chances for town to find scum at night. Town RB can also hinder town with a bad block, but it would make more sense for a mafia RB so they have direct control who is denied their action.



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theprof00 on 25 May 2011
Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:
Hephaestos said:
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Why you all think it is important to be vague, I have no idea.


not quote PM

not roleclaim

 

vagueness helps with that no?

actually, your "pop him" is immensely better. But who said what? Who said, "asks to many questions, pop him"? Stefl?

 

I have a question for everyone (I will also have another one in the next post). Does stefl make any other tells day 1 other than those questions to me and Trucks? Does anyone think it's possible that Heph could've formulated this plan based on stefl's play thus far?

 

Additionally, yes, outing roles does help town. It gives mafia much more to aim at, and narrows down lynch candidates.


is it possible heph could have come up with this? yes

would it be very risky because then there could be real investigative roles coming forward to counter those claim? yes

have any such claims happend? no

Do I think you are scum trying to out roles make them look bad and try and even get the town to lynch them for you? yes

FYI smartass, I just said a few posts ago that FF and GoW were on my list. Secondly, there's something about vette that's off.

In fact, day 1, during the whole thing, he was the first to make mention of the lie detector role. Secondly, he alluded to being a roleblocker, and given the town roles so far (and the mafia one) it seems to be that the blocker is a prostitute.



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Hephaestos on 25 May 2011

awww... linkz! now Proff can't claim town RB :p

 

anyways barring him, I'm gonna vote for whom i'm the most uneasy on.

Unvote

Vote FF



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theprof00 on 25 May 2011
Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:

Ok, for my next question...roleblocker this game...mafia or town?

If there even is one, then it would have to be mafia if Heph and Stefl are both town. A town roleblocker is mostly manipulative, but also weak protection/investigation. No night kill means there's a decent chance that the killer was blocked from acting, and that's just too many chances for town to find scum at night. Town RB can also hinder town with a bad block, but it would make more sense for a mafia RB so they have direct control who is denied their action.

 

in that case,

vote vetteman



Hephaestos on 25 May 2011
theprof00 said:

FYI smartass, I just said a few posts ago that FF and GoW were on my list. Secondly, there's something about vette that's off.

In fact, day 1, during the whole thing, he was the first to make mention of the lie detector role. Secondly, he alluded to being a roleblocker, and given the town roles so far (and the mafia one) it seems to be that the blocker is a prostitute.

vett? where did he allude this? (vanilla then RB)...



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theprof00 on 25 May 2011
Hephaestos said:
theprof00 said:

FYI smartass, I just said a few posts ago that FF and GoW were on my list. Secondly, there's something about vette that's off.

In fact, day 1, during the whole thing, he was the first to make mention of the lie detector role. Secondly, he alluded to being a roleblocker, and given the town roles so far (and the mafia one) it seems to be that the blocker is a prostitute.

vett? where did he allude this? (vanilla then RB)...

he never alluded to being vanilla. That was some interpretation by GoW (i think), which is also why I distrust GoW.

Also, I KNOW that he's the roleblocker.



Wonktonodi on 25 May 2011
theprof00 said:
Hephaestos said:
theprof00 said:

FYI smartass, I just said a few posts ago that FF and GoW were on my list. Secondly, there's something about vette that's off.

In fact, day 1, during the whole thing, he was the first to make mention of the lie detector role. Secondly, he alluded to being a roleblocker, and given the town roles so far (and the mafia one) it seems to be that the blocker is a prostitute.

vett? where did he allude this? (vanilla then RB)...

he never alluded to being vanilla. That was some interpretation by GoW (i think), which is also why I distrust GoW.

Also, I KNOW that he's the roleblocker.

cool so how do you know?