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Wonktonodi said:
Linkzmax said:
Wonktonodi said:

Plus it would be a uselsess role if randomized. Also the questions stefl asked day one. Made sence to me. I just hope he's not penalized now that you said his role.

Yes, Cop is still useful even if randomized, LD not so much. The rules say there's a penalty only if someone says their role/ability and it is true. It'd be rediculous to try to keep everyone from speculating on each others' roles.

Lie detector in the wiki has varations that say the ability is lost if claimed or the town figures it out.

now that is info the scum don't need if ever true...

You like turning potential Kill grabbers into useless town figures don't you? (why die when I can be voteless? why die when the other power roles can?)



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Hephaestos said:
theprof00 said:

Why you all think it is important to be vague, I have no idea.


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vagueness helps with that no?

actually, your "pop him" is immensely better. But who said what? Who said, "asks to many questions, pop him"? Stefl?

 

I have a question for everyone (I will also have another one in the next post). Does stefl make any other tells day 1 other than those questions to me and Trucks? Does anyone think it's possible that Heph could've formulated this plan based on stefl's play thus far?

 

Additionally, yes, outing roles does help town. It gives mafia much more to aim at, and narrows down lynch candidates.



Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:

well I'm at work and have more than that on my plate. It's not like I work at a firestation and have off-duty time. I work retail, so I apologize if my vote wasn't on the right person. I agree with your point, but I also got my answers.

I thought I mentioned that I'm a volunteer firefighter. I have a full-time job as well that prevents me from posting during most days.

Yes, the answer was most important and that's what I would have pushed to get too if I had gotten online before it was already put forth.


fos you too then (again)



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Wonktonodi said:
Linkzmax said:
Wonktonodi said:

Plus it would be a uselsess role if randomized. Also the questions stefl asked day one. Made sence to me. I just hope he's not penalized now that you said his role.

Yes, Cop is still useful even if randomized, LD not so much. The rules say there's a penalty only if someone says their role/ability and it is true. It'd be rediculous to try to keep everyone from speculating on each others' roles.

Lie detector in the wiki has varations that say the ability is lost if claimed or the town figures it out.

I see that now, but I can't imagine ABC would invoke such a penalty if he indeed gave flavor hinting at that very role.



Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:

Well if the investigators have horrible luck it is possible, but that's exactly my point. So you're saying there won't be anyone coming forward?

I can only guess, but after thinking about it, if you look back, I quoted wonk to say "I wouldn't bet on it".

You were answering a different question, but it is doubtful that any manipulative or protective pro-town roles would have useful information either.



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Ok, for my next question...roleblocker this game...mafia or town?



Hephaestos said:
Wonktonodi said:
Linkzmax said:
Wonktonodi said:

Plus it would be a uselsess role if randomized. Also the questions stefl asked day one. Made sence to me. I just hope he's not penalized now that you said his role.

Yes, Cop is still useful even if randomized, LD not so much. The rules say there's a penalty only if someone says their role/ability and it is true. It'd be rediculous to try to keep everyone from speculating on each others' roles.

Lie detector in the wiki has varations that say the ability is lost if claimed or the town figures it out.

now that is info the scum don't need if ever true...

You like turning potential Kill grabbers into useless town figures don't you? (why die when I can be voteless? why die when the other power roles can?)

I never had a vote and by coming forward although scum won't kill me pro town roles won't target me either.

As for him. Think about it for a moment. There won't be some Mod message saying that his role is no more so for them it is a risk either way. Personally with how powerful his role is I don't think the scum would risk letting him live even if there is a chance his ability might be gone.

Don't be  complaining about my playstyle mr I'm-going-to-out-two-powerroles-with-no-scum. :P



theprof00 said:
Hephaestos said:
theprof00 said:

Why you all think it is important to be vague, I have no idea.


not quote PM

not roleclaim

 

vagueness helps with that no?

actually, your "pop him" is immensely better. But who said what? Who said, "asks to many questions, pop him"? Stefl?

 

I have a question for everyone (I will also have another one in the next post). Does stefl make any other tells day 1 other than those questions to me and Trucks? Does anyone think it's possible that Heph could've formulated this plan based on stefl's play thus far?

 

Additionally, yes, outing roles does help town. It gives mafia much more to aim at, and narrows down lynch candidates.

no one said that....

i put the interpretation in words that made a mafia scenario seem plausible since you said it wasn't.

my belif that my interpretation is correct got strenghen by both the 4 targets comments, the comment that he could not target me and the comment that his ability would be useless... him setting up a fakeclaim is one option... but why the flavor corresponding to the claim then? too improbable.

 don't believe me, that's fine.. do believe stefl.



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theprof00 said:
Hephaestos said:
theprof00 said:

Why you all think it is important to be vague, I have no idea.


not quote PM

not roleclaim

 

vagueness helps with that no?

actually, your "pop him" is immensely better. But who said what? Who said, "asks to many questions, pop him"? Stefl?

 

I have a question for everyone (I will also have another one in the next post). Does stefl make any other tells day 1 other than those questions to me and Trucks? Does anyone think it's possible that Heph could've formulated this plan based on stefl's play thus far?

 

Additionally, yes, outing roles does help town. It gives mafia much more to aim at, and narrows down lynch candidates.


is it possible heph could have come up with this? yes

would it be very risky because then there could be real investigative roles coming forward to counter those claim? yes

have any such claims happend? no

Do I think you are scum trying to out roles make them look bad and try and even get the town to lynch them for you? yes



theprof00 said:

I have a question for everyone (I will also have another one in the next post). Does stefl make any other tells day 1 other than those questions to me and Trucks? Does anyone think it's possible that Heph could've formulated this plan based on stefl's play thus far?

I had already brought up this possibility if Heph is scum tracker. It's why I'm pretty much sold on Stefl being town,(though I thought so previously anyway) but I haven't ruled Heph out of being mafia yet.