I think we might have our candidate for todays lynch ^

stop. reread the first posts of the day again when you come back stop trying to get townies lynched and tell us your scum buddies

Ok, right now we have 8 players, most likely two mafia (attributing for the tree stump balancer).

This means that if we are going to go after the lovers, we only have one shot at other players. We can either lynch a lover tonight, and then mislynch tomorrow,

OR-

we can no lynch today, mislynch the next day, and lynch a lover the next.

This doesn't account for a vig though.

lynching everyday, shooting every night (shooting a lover on the last night), results in a 1v1 day 4 (assuming we hit at least one mafia with 4 attempts and smaller pools) with one of them dying at night (the lover). If the dying lover is mafia, it's town win, since the lover dies at sunset the following day the other dies.

So, if we have a vig, then we should lynch, although nolynching may be just as good.

Heph implies stefl knew ToS was town already, making specific note that it's because stefl is mafia.
"is the Fuuuu for him being a pottential townie killer? (psychopath) I just don't see why else it could be."

Stefl then says that he did, in fact, know that ToS was town already, based on actions occurring between twilight and daylight..

Heph divulges what a psycho is. Says that stefl was indeed mad about killing a townie killer.

Stefl denies it.

Heph then quotes the "i knew he was town" and unvotes.

Heph then quotes stefl again saying that he's not claiming cop, and asking that cop stay silent in case of counterclaim.

Upon being asked why he chose ToS, he said that it was a pick out of four options. (to which heph criticizes as "too much info)

Later, stefl says "Okay now, even if the cop comes out (which I hope he does not) and even if town wants to get on my ass I will not roleclaim since my role is plain s*** when it gets random.orged, I would rather be lynched before I had to live with that."

So, he's not a cop, and his role is shit when it gets random.orged.

Heph then defends stefl, saying that stefl's not a cop, and that he knows stefl's role, but he's not a role cop.

Stefl then says it's weird that we don't all know his role yet (centrism).

Heph then points out the centrism, saying that he has more info than we do. Stefl replies, "ok I won't ask for details then"

Then in a post GoW asked, stefl says theprof is sharp and if mafia, it's already a guaranteed win for mafia. Then says, "I'm getting the disturbing feeling that I am of no use".

Heph then writes

"The extra info I have is not due to my role (that made me revote), it's due to the flavor in which my result was given...hence why I initially discarded it... then ticked. I believe this info was given due to special circumpstances due to stefl's role. So i don't think i'll have flavor other nights."

SO, putting everything together:

Stefl is not a cop. Stefl knew that ToS was town due to a night ability. His role is shit when randomed. Stefl thinks he is of no use.

Heph accuses Stefl knowing something about stefl knowing ToS. Heph is not a cop or role cop. Heph then unvotes when stefl claims to know ToS alignment. Heph then unvotes, later saying that he realized his role based on flavor he received. Heph then says that the tip off wasn't due to his own role, but "given due to special circumstances due to stefl's role". He doesn't think he'll have flavor on other nights.

So, boiling it down. Stefl can learn alignment somehow, but is dramaticaly impaired by random. And Heph knows stefl's role due to extenuating circumstances, and won't have info other days. Additionally, Heph ignores his pm'ed info is not a cop, role cop, or tracker.

This has been going on for nearly 100 posts wonk.

And, well, my vote is by no means trying to get stefl lynched. I want answers. I said, "FROM NOW ON, anyone that does this will get an immovable vote" I even said that I would remove the vote when Heph claims for stefl.

They already said too much. You of all people should be able to figure it out.

Then again I think you are scum. Especailly now with your putting the idea of a no lynch out there.

I love how it's just impossible for me to not understand, and instead am choosing to misunderstand.

I'm not arguing with you anymore. Since my vote boils your blood, here's my unvote:

unvote: stefl

Let me remind you of last game where Heph claimed to know Baal's role and completely and utterly failed at it. FYI

@ prof:  I'm indecisive often enough as town that I doubt I'd feel the need to hide behind anything like that as mafia.  I guess I should stop whining about weird things happening, but come on there has been some crazy shit going down this game. 

I support the "out Stefl" campaign. 

I could nameclaim since that doesn't get punished, and just so that you all know, no matter if Heph is wrong or right when he claims my role I will neither dismiss it nor will I say its correct.

I don't care about you claiming or not. From my point of view, if you are town, then roleclaiming is not in the interest of town. Therefore, I cannot really go after you for the events of today. However, you are not the only one involved in your role. Heph is as well. And being that you will not get punished, I want to see what he thinks.

I want to know if Heph knows your role. Do you yourself think that Heph knows your role, and to what degree of certainty would you say he does?