Don't forget my qualifier. Now in bold.

When do I ever say confirmed? I said claimed and I don't trust all four of them yet to push for a vote on the other 4.

Mafia Analysis

Vetteman

Interestingly, Vetteman arrives after about 250 posts to the thread which he blames on "issues". Fair enough, I guess. In that post, he says that he thinks Linkz' supposed 2nd PM is a fabrication. [PR]

Then he seems to be offended by Final-Fan's semi-jokish post. It doesn't seem out of character for Vetteman to be like that though. [PR]

He seems to be ticked off that ABC confirmed that wonk was a tree stump, even though it only really helps the town (which he acknowledges on a later post) probably because it takes a bit off the competitive side of the game. He discusses about the mod confirming the tree stump role and the stump's effect on the game in subsequent posts, pointing out that whatever the tree stump says would have no alterior motive behind it, and sees the positive side of it. That seems reasonable to me.

Vetteman then votes for Linkz [PR] which is against his usual ways of being a pussy when it comes to day one lynches. I thought that this was somewhat out of character.

Things get interesting, imo from this point onwards -

"Well it has been awhile since I played as scum,  but I actually feel like I post more when I am scum. " [PR]

When Silver-Tiger points out that Vetteman hasn't been his usual active self, he feels that its necessary for him to lay out a profile on how he plays when he is scum. To me, this says "Hey people - This is how I play when I'm scum. I'm not like that in this game !" to me. He is possibly trying to use this to try and lay low, and avoid posting much so that the town cannot get a proper read on him. 

"All my PMs when I have pro-town roles says that I win when the town wins" [PR]

This was ripped apart by Heph, I guess in 2 ways.

1. "When I have protown roles" sounds like he doesn't have one in this game.

This is a bit going overboard imo, especially when it comes to grammar and bullshit like that, since non-native speakers (such as myself) are also playing this game...although that isn't exactly true to vetteman.

2.  Even if he is pro-town, it wouldn't say that he was town in his PM in this game as mentioned in the sign up thread.

Vetteman states that by this post, he referred to the games other than this one. He also says that his current PM states his alignment. So, he sort of contradicted himself there. [PR]

Then, a short while later, Vetteman says that he has "such a vanilla" role. [PR] Then, in a following post, he says his role PM states his alignment because its a part of his "role". [PR] 

I'm not sure about any of this, maybe because its based on wording, but something sounds a bit off here.

Then ABC posted this - -I TOLD THE PLAYERS WHO ARE NOT TOWN THAT THEY ARE NOT TOWN IN THEIR PMs. IF YOU DID NOT RECIEVE AN ALIGNMENT IN YOUR PM OR IF I TOLD YOU YOU WERE PROTOWN, YOU ARE PRO-TOWN.-Which kinda clears Vetteman a little. 

So I'm having trouble on what to think of the situation. But my initial reaction to it wasn't "ZOMG SCUM !" like many people here.

Then, Vetteman lists his suspects in response to prof. He has no problem lynching Linkz, S-T or notstan. He also says Wildvine could be scum trying to lay low, and he was right. Maybe its because they are scum buddies ? [PR]

Then Vetteman comments on Silver-Tiger's accusations of him parroting what myself and prof said, asking whether its impossible for 2 people to share reasons for being suspicious. [PR]

He says the exact same thing when Zarx votes for him for "parroting". And continues to have a little back and forth between himself and zarx which ends in zarx removing his vote from vetteman and vetteman voting for zarx. [PR]

Then he disappears from sight, and posts during twilight.

On Day 2, he speculates that one of S-T/Linkz might be a treacherous lover, and questions why he isn't considered pro-town, since he roleclaimed vanilla.

So, what I'm seeing from is black and white. To me Vette would've been more suspicious had ABC not butted into clarify the PM situation. Something about his role claim doesn't sound right. IF protown, he might be lying about not having a power role. If anti-town, he might be using it as early cover set up when the time comes for him to roleclaim. Maybe I'm looking too much into it, but his post explaining what he plays like when he is scum strikes me as odd too, as I've explained above.

Relations With Dead People

Notstan (Pro-Town)

The only post where either of them mentions the other is this.

ToS (Pro-Town)

They don't mention each other at all. (Based on quick Ctrl F, so I might be wrong). Except when ToS brings out his train rider post.

Zarx (Pro-Town)

Had an argument, as quoted above. Votes were exchanged.

Wildvine (Anti-Town)

Its lightning right now, so this post is actually what I recall of their interactions. Wildvine defended Vett when it came to the PM slip up thing intially, because he didn't understand how it was a slip up. But later on, he just clarified what was going on to (along with FF) Vetteman.

Overall, I have mixed feeling about Vetteman. And holy mother of god thunderstorms !!!

Wow I get it :D

OK.  Getting flavor in night action results sounds a bit odd, but it seems more plausible that he's protown now. 

Unvote Heph. 

From what I get now. It would either be both of them on the same scum team or both town. Since they are both saying they have investigative roles I really doubt it's them on a scum team.

OK, well it's making sense to me now that stefl has said he has a poor role, because if he actually were the cop, and investigated trucks, I would consider that a stupid move. Lesser roles usually should go look at side players who have less chance of being killed.

Heph somehow got flavor without his role(or something) because stefl is a special role?

"The extra info I have is not due to my role (that made me revote), it's due to the flavor in which my result was given...hence why I initially discarded it... then ticked. I believe this info was given due to special circumpstances due to stefl's role. So i don't think i'll have flavor other nights."

vote: stefl

I demand to know what his role is, Heph. If anyone of you ever pulls this shit again, in any game, you're getting an immovable vote. This ambiguity is a MAJOR distraction to the town. We should be looking at information we have, and this poking and prodding is nonsense. It's just more questions.

@ GodofWar_3ever

Was there really a need to insult me? Just because you disagreed with my past playstyle doesnt make it alright to insult me over it.

also HoS FF for constantly calling the game "bizzare", and "weird".

FF comes off as not knowing what is going on. (This is actually a tactic I used last round to hide behind indecisiveness and mislynches)

I do think it is likly that one of the lovers is scum however I think we should push that more tomorrow.

So that brings us back to the 4 I mentioned in an earlier post.

FF, Vett, GoW and Proff

Vett has been out of character with his vanting a lynch on day one.

GoW made a good case for someone who was town so could be scum just looking for townies who don't play well.

Proff has been way too quiet

and FF I'll need to look into again

Heph never said he had an investigative role. He said he had flavor that was attributable to stefl's role.