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Linkzmax said:
Stefl1504 said:

What made you target TOS?


It was one out of four possible options, and I thought he was less likely to die then the other persons.



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Stefl1504 said:
Linkzmax said:
Stefl1504 said:

What made you target TOS?


It was one out of four possible options, and I thought he was less likely to die then the other persons.

Now that you're here, explain again why you didn't suspect linkz at all on day one ?  Also, whats is going on with you and hephaestos ?



Okay now, even if the cop comes out (which I hope he does not) and even if town wants to get on my ass I will not roleclaim since my role is plain s*** when it gets random.orged, I would rather be lynched before I had to live with that.



GodOfWar_3ever said:
Hephaestos said:
Stefl1504 said:
theprof00 said:

Trucks was a good target, he was pretty obviously town, and wasn't embroiled in anything too heavy.

Also, stefl did you just say you knew trucks was a psychopath?


Nope I did not know he was a psychopath - I knew he was pro-town.

I know I don't make much sense...since I accused him earlier, but Stefl isn't claiming to be the cop here.

Just saying to prevent the cop from outing himself.

I guess the real cop probably realized that this could be the ploy going on here, especially when he knows who the real cop is. So don't fall for this dude.

Also, Heph...you vote for me because of my refusal to back down on Linkz because a newbie scum member had refused to take his vote off as well. All I got to say is that this analyzed stuff doesn't make any sense to me (stuff like 4th vote being scum and all that bs). So I'd like for you to elaborate on any other reasons why you think I'm scum, so that I can make you realize that I'm not.

Also, if you think I'm so suspicious for keeping my vote on Linkz for a long time, maybe you should look in the mirror to see someone else who fits the criteria. :P 

Also, what happened to your Vetteman = Scum theories ? Have they disappeared overnight ? Any reasons that prompted that change ?

And what do you think of Stefl not even glancing at a lynch for Linkz, but being on Zarx's ass the entire day one and leading that mislynch on him ?

Right now, I'm not sure I trust ANYBODY except ofcourse, wonk. One of Linkz/Silver-Tiger being scum might be a possibility (or both, if my suspicions on day one is true....then it would be a hell of a gamble by S-T).

1) So you think I chocked after 5 minutes of a fake claim being put out with no challenge.... that's a pretty weak assumption.

2) Where did I ever say any of this? The only reason I voted for you is that assuming linkz to be town, there is no reason why he should not have been hammered by scum, so I took the assumption that the scum didn't have the time to vote in the first wave as it went fast (reason why I unvoted) and jumped on the second wave. That was the case for vette, you and Wilde.... one is dead, one had a messup yesterday and i'm left with you.

3) never said that.

4) Nope, still high on my list, but the GoW axis is unexplored and apparently already providing results.

5) i'd put this on Stefl's poor judgement... nothing much else I can say on why he thought this.

6) you don't need to trust me... but do trust Stefl... though he has no additional info than anyone has.



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GodOfWar_3ever said:
Hephaestos said:

Stefl - Town

You voted for him on your first post of day 2, but now you're convinced that he's not scum, because of him hinting at being the cop ?

no.... because i made a mistake and when he spoke, I understood exactly his role and realized my mistake.

(on that Stefl, do not roleclaim, I can do it for you if you ever need...).



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Final-Fan said:

I am suspicious of Heph.  He votes Stefl for the knowledge he claimed to have, then decided he knew how Stefl got that info and it wasn't by being cop but he trusts him anyway.  All -- it seems to me -- with no more info than what he based the initial vote on

Then he says that we basically have to choose between Vette and GoW for scum? 

FoS Heph  This game is so weird. 

yes and info can be missleading when read the wrong way.

the vette Gow is my own little gambit on probabilities... you don't have to follow that.



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GodOfWar_3ever said:
Stefl1504 said:
Linkzmax said:
Stefl1504 said:

What made you target TOS?


It was one out of four possible options, and I thought he was less likely to die then the other persons.

Now that you're here, explain again why you didn't suspect linkz at all on day one ?  Also, whats is going on with you and hephaestos ?

I don't know what to think about Heph... I just did what I would've done either way - claim who I targeted and what my result was.

Well, because he did not do anything that would have convinced me of him being scum. His action of not reading his PM did not give me any reason to think he is scum, I said the action is lynchworthy, which it is, but by no means a scum tell to me. I have to say it was a feeling I shouldn't go after him, that then made me not vote for him, I was just hoping that this would be the right decision. Now I am sure it was the right decision.

Currently, I think scum wants us to distrust linkz and ST because they want us to lynch them, I think they will try to always voice distrust about the lovers - one of them could be scum, blalalala...

To the zarx thing - while I was the one constantly targeting him, I wasn't the one to get the lynchtrain started so please do not interpret things wrong, because you started the lynchtrain, I was only the first one to vote for him.



Hephaestos said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:
Hephaestos said:
Stefl1504 said:
theprof00 said:

Trucks was a good target, he was pretty obviously town, and wasn't embroiled in anything too heavy.

Also, stefl did you just say you knew trucks was a psychopath?


Nope I did not know he was a psychopath - I knew he was pro-town.

I know I don't make much sense...since I accused him earlier, but Stefl isn't claiming to be the cop here.

Just saying to prevent the cop from outing himself.

 I guess the real cop probably realized that this could be the ploy going on here, especially when he knows who the real cop is. So don't fall for this dude.

Also, Heph...you vote for me because of my refusal to back down on Linkz because a newbie scum member had refused to take his vote off as well. All I got to say is that this analyzed stuff doesn't make any sense to me (stuff like 4th vote being scum and all that bs). So I'd like for you to elaborate on any other reasons why you think I'm scum, so that I can make you realize that I'm not.

Also, if you think I'm so suspicious for keeping my vote on Linkz for a long time, maybe you should look in the mirror to see someone else who fits the criteria. :P 

Also, what happened to your Vetteman = Scum theories ? Have they disappeared overnight ? Any reasons that prompted that change ?

And what do you think of Stefl not even glancing at a lynch for Linkz, but being on Zarx's ass the entire day one and leading that mislynch on him ?

Right now, I'm not sure I trust ANYBODY except ofcourse, wonk. One of Linkz/Silver-Tiger being scum might be a possibility (or both, if my suspicions on day one is true....then it would be a hell of a gamble by S-T).

1) So you think I chocked after 5 minutes of a fake claim being put out with no challenge.... that's a pretty weak assumption.

2) Where did I ever say any of this? The only reason I voted for you is that assuming linkz to be town, there is no reason why he should not have been hammered by scum, so I took the assumption that the scum didn't have the time to vote in the first wave as it went fast (reason why I unvoted) and jumped on the second wave. That was the case for vette, you and Wilde.... one is dead, one had a messup yesterday and i'm left with you.

3) never said that.

4) Nope, still high on my list, but the GoW axis is unexplored and apparently already providing results.

5) i'd put this on Stefl's poor judgement... nothing much else I can say on why he thought this.

6) you don't need to trust me... but do trust Stefl... though he has no additional info than anyone has.

1) Which is why I was confused by what was going on. Maybe I'm really stupid, but I have no clue what stefl could be other than a cop.

2) That just flew over my head. But theres another assumption you'd have to make other than Linkz being town. How can you be so sure that the mafia would hammer linkz ? It could be just as well done by a pro-town player. Or what if all the mafia (except wildvine) had voted for linkz by the time he was at L-1 via the first wave ? 

4) Providing results ? I don't see how. I think I see where this is going though. You played your cards well, hephaestos. You're using the fact that linkz went through 2 waves of being lynched to your advantage to try and lead a lynch on a pro-town player, and as its based on a few parameters like linkz being town and more than one of the mafia not voting for linkz in the first wave, you can't really be blamed afterwards, since its your "own little gamble" eh ? 

And what messup of vetteman's are you talking about ?

6) I still can't think of any reason why you got a sudden boost of confidence on stefl. Other than maybe win him over. 

Stefl1504 said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:

Now that you're here, explain again why you didn't suspect linkz at all on day one ?  Also, whats is going on with you and hephaestos ?

I don't know what to think about Heph... I just did what I would've done either way - claim who I targeted and what my result was.

Well, because he did not do anything that would have convinced me of him being scum. His action of not reading his PM did not give me any reason to think he is scum, I said the action is lynchworthy, which it is, but by no means a scum tell to me. I have to say it was a feeling I shouldn't go after him, that then made me not vote for him, I was just hoping that this would be the right decision. Now I am sure it was the right decision.

Currently, I think scum wants us to distrust linkz and ST because they want us to lynch them, I think they will try to always voice distrust about the lovers - one of them could be scum, blalalala...

To the zarx thing - while I was the one constantly targeting him, I wasn't the one to get the lynchtrain started so please do not interpret things wrong, because you started the lynchtrain, I was only the first one to vote for him.

Do you think Heph is trying to gain your trust by acting as if he has 100% confidence that you're pro-town ?

About the lovers, how can you dismiss that possibility ? As linkz said, either the mafia wanted to make us doubt that one of them might be scum, chickened out because they thought the doc would protect them, or one of them could indeed be scum. It could be any three of those possibilities, but ruling that out one possibility just because its unlikely would be foolish. I think we should handle the situation carefully without making any rash decisions.

I did not start any lynch train. I posted how and why I thought he could be scum, and the time limit induced people to vote for whoever had the most votes at the time. But you were definitely the person leading that lynch from the very first time zarx posted. So don't try to blame it on me entirely.  I may have convinced some people who were on the fence, maybe. But your commitment towards it and the time limit definitely played a big part. 



GodOfWar_3ever said:

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Stefl1504 said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:

Now that you're here, explain again why you didn't suspect linkz at all on day one ?  Also, whats is going on with you and hephaestos ?

I don't know what to think about Heph... I just did what I would've done either way - claim who I targeted and what my result was.

Well, because he did not do anything that would have convinced me of him being scum. His action of not reading his PM did not give me any reason to think he is scum, I said the action is lynchworthy, which it is, but by no means a scum tell to me. I have to say it was a feeling I shouldn't go after him, that then made me not vote for him, I was just hoping that this would be the right decision. Now I am sure it was the right decision.

Currently, I think scum wants us to distrust linkz and ST because they want us to lynch them, I think they will try to always voice distrust about the lovers - one of them could be scum, blalalala...

To the zarx thing - while I was the one constantly targeting him, I wasn't the one to get the lynchtrain started so please do not interpret things wrong, because you started the lynchtrain, I was only the first one to vote for him.

Do you think Heph is trying to gain your trust by acting as if he has 100% confidence that you're pro-town ?

About the lovers, how can you dismiss that possibility ? As linkz said, either the mafia wanted to make us doubt that one of them might be scum, chickened out because they thought the doc would protect them, or one of them could indeed be scum. It could be any three of those possibilities, but ruling that out one possibility just because its unlikely would be foolish. I think we should handle the situation carefully without making any rash decisions.

I did not start any lynch train. I posted how and why I thought he could be scum, and the time limit induced people to vote for whoever had the most votes at the time. But you were definitely the person leading that lynch from the very first time zarx posted. So don't try to blame it on me entirely.  I may have convinced some people who were on the fence, maybe. But your commitment towards it and the time limit definitely played a big part. 

 

Of course he is gaining my trust with this, but honestly what other reason he could have to unvote me than being town - if he is scum and he knew my role he would try to use the momentum against me, also he was one of the person I really would've liked to look at this night, but wasn't given a good possibility to do so.

I am by no means dismissing the other ideas, its just that I think what I wrote above is the most likely thing to be happening right now.

I did not see anyone saying Stefl was on Zarx so long lets vote for Zarx, all were saying GoW has made some really good points about Zarx being scum... I even said yesterday that you with a single post gave more reason to vote for him than I did the whole day.

Hinfort nervige Pest ;P - now look at others than me and Heph, I think we are going in the totally wrong direction now...



Linkzmax said:

Does the Heph/Stefl situation reminded anybody of the one between myself and ABC last round?

I would speculate fully on how much the entire sequence of events doesn't add up to me, but I'm worried it really won't benefit town. I'm going to right it all out and then mull it over.


there's something funny about this... you'll know when I flip or when town wins.



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