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thismeintiel on 09 May 2011
Profcrab said:
thismeintiel said:
Profcrab said:

A poster on a website does brief research that consitutes looking up the version of a the web server operating Sony's webpage and this consitutes any sort of real proof that the servers that were breached were up to date and had the appopriate security?  The information seems just as unreliable.  Excuse me if I don't call the esteemed data security services of deathindustrial.

Sony has a black eye over this.  There was a breach and personal data was lost.  That was bad.  The informed customers 6 days after they discovered the breach.  That is worse.  A credit card database was cofirmed stolen.  That is even worse.  To top it off, the online system that went down is still down 18 days later.  BAMM!  That is a black eye that is going to sting for a few years.  Fixing this mess and repairing the damage is going to cost Sony alot of money over the course of those years.

It isn't about wanting to see Sony fall.  When we hear the details of how and why this breach occured, we can discuss the degree to which Sony was negligent before the breach.  The results of the breach, however, are bad enough.  At this point, the hole has been dug and Sony is in it.

As Trollian said, the professor's claim was just as, if not more, unreliable.  And I have to laugh at the few years comment.  It will take only a few months after the PSN goes back up for this to be out of the vast majority's minds.  It's already started to slip out of people's minds because of the news of Bin Laden's death. 

The online service being down this long that has several ramifications. First, customer's will be hesitent to store credit card numbers on the service.  This means lost PSN sales.  This leads to the second point.  No one is going to want to make PSN exclusive games.  Anyone who has, has just seen a month of revenue go down the tubes.  If you were one of those developers, would you think of staying exclusive in the future?  Sure, Sony can lower their licensing fee and provide incentives, but after the nature of this intrusion, it is likely that PSN sales will be slugish when it does come back up.  So, expect that the developers are going to go multiplatform.

Third, this is going to affect the popularity and overall sales fo recently released online centered games.  That is lost revenue.

How is it starting to slip out of people's minds?  The service is still down.  What will stick in people's minds is.  "Don't give credit card info to Sony." and "Sony's onine service is unreliable."  Now, after the service is back up, those concerns may not really be valid, but they will stick with the PS3 for the rest of this generation just like the RRoD sticks with Microsoft even though new systems fixed the issue.  All of this translates into lost sales and major money that Sony has to invest to fix the PR nightmare.  Microsoft didn't even get dragged in front of Congress to explain the issue.  The media put a giant flashlight on this issue because they love to show big companies screwing up.  This is going to stick with people when they are looking to drop several hundred on a game system.

When all is said and done, this will have cost Sony big money.

When I said it's starting to slip out of people's minds, I mean the vast majority of shoppers.  The ones who don't visit forums and gaming sites on a regular basis.  It may be in the back of their minds, but once the PSN gets back up, not many will care.  And sales will continue to prove this.

As for people giving Sony their CC info, you may be right.  However, this is why all gaming retailers sell PSN and Live cards.  Some people already didn't want to give out their info to either Sony or MS, and some new people may join them, but that won't stop anyone from purchasing things from the PSN store.  So, I doubt PSN sales are going to be hurt much, if at all.

Also, I doubt this is going to cost Sony anywhere near what some people think.  Max I would say is closing in on 1 billion.  I don't think it will get that far, but it may.  And it's going to be nowhere near the 24 billion some were blindly reporting.



 

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Alby_da_Wolf on 09 May 2011

It's a quite partial evidence in favour of Sony, but as much partial look those against it, and Sony already made some admissions, but not of total guilt, so its liability could be mitigated. The most negative scenario could suggest unforgivable sloppiness, this one suggests more a slip in the security protocols or in their application.

Sony must not rest, anyway, it's obvious something went terribly wrong, either culpably or not, a revision of protocols and their application is urgently needed. Once Sony will have its network restored and its safety certified by specialized firms, it will still have to bear the burden of insurance and possible damages to users, but it will be able to offer a more reliable and secure online service, with a new image possibly clearer than competitors, having undergone such a harsh test. Indeed it's quite likely that once Sony will have its service restored, reviewed and certified, competitors too will be forced to do the same even before or without enduring an attack so fierce.



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Capulous on 13 May 2011
thismeintiel said:
Capulous said:
kitler53 said:

interesting article and all but i thought the "common knowledge" of sony being out of date came from their statment of "blah blah blah ... we were exploited via a known whatever that we were not aware of. something something.

that doesn't quite add up to me.


This. Sony said they were attack through a known vulnerability. It doesn't make sense, if the servers were up to date. They would also have been the first to discount the claims about their servers, if it were untrue. The fact that they haven't really makes this "claim" seem baseless.

Yes, but didn't this accusation of the out of date software come from the government hearing?  This happened after Sony's press conference.  And right now, I think Sony is a little more interested in sorting this whole mess out and helping the FBI/Homeland Security get all the facts, than answer questions brought up by a professer using "proof" from a chatlog at a subcommittee meeting.

I'm not sure where the information came from. There have been plenty of articles about it, but I haven't really kept up lately. It seems like it would be something that they would address. It makes them seem incompetent and negligent for not updating their servers and keeping private information safe. A simple statement and proof to show that they were not careless with security would go a long way for some.



Parasitic on 13 May 2011

YES, I KNEW IT!

 

THEY HAD TOP MEN WORKING ON IT ALL ALONG!



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