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Tony_Stark said:
brendude13 said:
dsister said:

From PSN, I doubt it. But SOE had unencrypted bank numbers and cc numbers. 

Plus you could always get your address leaked on the internet 

 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/07/sony-removes-data-stolen-hackers_n_858913.html


Oh no! Not my address!

There is also a sign near my house with my road name on! That is suicide! And I have my house number on my door! What am I thinking!? Today, somebody in red shorts came up to my house and put a piece of paper through my letterbox. It had my address on it! How did he find it out!?

HELP MEEEEEEE!

...Anyway, enough of that xD. I agree, what a load of overblown nonsense. It's just a load of scaremongering to get web page hits and make lots of money. The media are trying to pass off pathetic speculation as fact. People are too stupid to find out the facts for themselves. The articles on the VGChartz home page did this aswell, they were almost as bad as IGN.

Erm, I really don't think you realize what COMPROMIZED PERSONAL DATA means. It means that the hackers have access to PSN user's credit card numbers addresses, phone numbers, and anything else that was stored on the PSN servers. Whether or not the hackers use this info is completely irrelevant. Fact of the matter is, they CAN use it. Obviously, you don't care about the fact that you very easily could become a victom of identity theft, but rather, care only about protecting Sony. It's kinda sad actually.

You obviously completely ignored every comment that was made so far on this thread.

You can't be certain if the personal data was taken, even if it was, big deal. Names and addresses are useless, that kind of stuff can be found on Facebook or through a Google search.

The only cause for concern is credit card numbers, which weren't thought to be taken, they didn't have a PIN and they were heavily encrypted. By now you probably have no idea what I am talking about, just read the statements from SONY and quickly google "encryption". Then try to access your bank account without a PIN number and maybe your common sense will kick in.

You are proving my point even further, I AM protecting SONY, because they are being criticised for things they never did or for things that never even happened, there are too many gullable morons on the internet who are going to believe everything they read.



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brendude13 said:
Tony_Stark said:
brendude13 said:
dsister said:

From PSN, I doubt it. But SOE had unencrypted bank numbers and cc numbers. 

Plus you could always get your address leaked on the internet 

 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/07/sony-removes-data-stolen-hackers_n_858913.html


Oh no! Not my address!

There is also a sign near my house with my road name on! That is suicide! And I have my house number on my door! What am I thinking!? Today, somebody in red shorts came up to my house and put a piece of paper through my letterbox. It had my address on it! How did he find it out!?

HELP MEEEEEEE!

...Anyway, enough of that xD. I agree, what a load of overblown nonsense. It's just a load of scaremongering to get web page hits and make lots of money. The media are trying to pass off pathetic speculation as fact. People are too stupid to find out the facts for themselves. The articles on the VGChartz home page did this aswell, they were almost as bad as IGN.

Erm, I really don't think you realize what COMPROMIZED PERSONAL DATA means. It means that the hackers have access to PSN user's credit card numbers addresses, phone numbers, and anything else that was stored on the PSN servers. Whether or not the hackers use this info is completely irrelevant. Fact of the matter is, they CAN use it. Obviously, you don't care about the fact that you very easily could become a victom of identity theft, but rather, care only about protecting Sony. It's kinda sad actually.

You obviously completely ignored every comment that was made so far on this thread.

Only the stupid ones...so yeah...lol

You can't be certain if the personal data was taken, even if it was, big deal. Names and addresses are useless, that kind of stuff can be found on Facebook or through a Google search.

You can't be certain it wasn't. If I was a PSN user I would be doing the smart thing and canceling my credit cards associated with with my PSN account. Also, I would be pissed that Sony allowed my personal info, which I gave to them in confidence that they wouldn't let anybody else see it, to get comprimised. No matter how you spin this, it's a big deal, sure my personal info can be retrieved from the internet if somebody looks for it, but in this case, the hackers didn't have to go looking for it, it was all in one place. FYI Sony IS offering a 1 Mil dollar identity theft insurance policy to all PSN users, if the personal data was not comprimised, they wouldn't be doing that. ; )

The only cause for concern is credit card numbers, which weren't thought to be taken, they didn't have a PIN and they were heavily encrypted. By now you probably have no idea what I am talking about, just read the statements from SONY and quickly google "encryption". Then try to access your bank account without a PIN number and maybe your common sense will kick in.

No, no, and no. Hackers can do a lot if they have your email address, and even more if they have an email address attatchted to a phone number or home address. And I'de like to know what kind of encription was used...just because they were supposably heavily encrypted doesn't mean that the incription method was worth jack. Once again, it doesn't matter, Sony doesn't know if hackers were able to get through the encryption or not, and that is reason enough for concern.

You are proving my point even further, I AM protecting SONY, because they are being criticised for things they never did or for things that never even happened, there are too many gullable morons on the internet who are going to believe everything they read.

Your point doesn't have a leg to stand on. Once again, you would rather protect Sony, a multi million dollar corporatiuon that doesn't give a rats ass about you until you pull out your wallet, than look out for your own interests and do everything in your power to ensure you don't get taken by Identity theives, which could end up destroying any hopes of a future for you.





"with great power, comes great responsibility."

I have to go with #1. I don't use my credit card at restaurants or gas stations, it rarely rains here, and I don't live in NY.



Tony_Stark said:
brendude13 said:
Tony_Stark said:

Erm, I really don't think you realize what COMPROMIZED PERSONAL DATA means. It means that the hackers have access to PSN user's credit card numbers addresses, phone numbers, and anything else that was stored on the PSN servers. Whether or not the hackers use this info is completely irrelevant. Fact of the matter is, they CAN use it. Obviously, you don't care about the fact that you very easily could become a victom of identity theft, but rather, care only about protecting Sony. It's kinda sad actually.

You obviously completely ignored every comment that was made so far on this thread.

Only the stupid ones...so yeah...lol

You can't be certain if the personal data was taken, even if it was, big deal. Names and addresses are useless, that kind of stuff can be found on Facebook or through a Google search.

You can't be certain it wasn't. If I was a PSN user I would be doing the smart thing and canceling my credit cards associated with with my PSN account. Also, I would be pissed that Sony allowed my personal info, which I gave to them in confidence that they wouldn't let anybody else see it, to get comprimised. No matter how you spin this, it's a big deal, sure my personal info can be retrieved from the internet if somebody looks for it, but in this case, the hackers didn't have to go looking for it, it was all in one place. FYI Sony IS offering a 1 Mil dollar identity theft insurance policy to all PSN users, if the personal data was not comprimised, they wouldn't be doing that. ; )

The only cause for concern is credit card numbers, which weren't thought to be taken, they didn't have a PIN and they were heavily encrypted. By now you probably have no idea what I am talking about, just read the statements from SONY and quickly google "encryption". Then try to access your bank account without a PIN number and maybe your common sense will kick in.

No, no, and no. Hackers can do a lot if they have your email address, and even more if they have an email address attatchted to a phone number or home address. And I'de like to know what kind of encription was used...just because they were supposably heavily encrypted doesn't mean that the incription method was worth jack. Once again, it doesn't matter, Sony doesn't know if hackers were able to get through the encryption or not, and that is reason enough for concern.

You are proving my point even further, I AM protecting SONY, because they are being criticised for things they never did or for things that never even happened, there are too many gullable morons on the internet who are going to believe everything they read.

Your point doesn't have a leg to stand on. Once again, you would rather protect Sony, a multi million dollar corporatiuon that doesn't give a rats ass about you until you pull out your wallet, than look out for your own interests and do everything in your power to ensure you don't get taken by Identity theives, which could end up destroying any hopes of a future for you.



So 90% of people on this thread are stupid?

You can't be certain it wasn't. If I was a PSN user I would be doing the smart thing and canceling my credit cards associated with with my PSN account. Also, I would be pissed that Sony allowed my personal info, which I gave to them in confidence that they wouldn't let anybody else see it, to get comprimised. No matter how you spin this, it's a big deal, sure my personal info can be retrieved from the internet if somebody looks for it, but in this case, the hackers didn't have to go looking for it, it was all in one place. FYI Sony IS offering a 1 Mil dollar identity theft insurance policy to all PSN users, if the personal data was not comprimised, they wouldn't be doing that. ; )

So what if it was taken? I don't need to cancel my credit cards because the bottom line is, they can't use them. Once again you ignored my comment about encryption and the lack of a bank PIN, do you have selective reading or are you really that stupid? And on paper this is a disaster for SONY, because in the end personal data was leaked. In the end, the consumer shouldn't care though because that personal data can be obtained anyway. I could walk up the road, smash open a letter box and wham, I immediately have the names and addresses of thousands of people. What exactly can I do that is so harmful, send them junk mail?

Why is SONY offering a 1 million identity theft policy? I'll let maths solve this one. 10 million credit cards are linked to PSN, 10 million x 1 million = 10 trillion dollars. Do you really think SONY can just cough up 10 trillion dollars, or even a fraction of that? ...No.

That policy is there for piece of mind, to calm down the gullable and paranoid morons who believe everything they read, instead of finding out everything for themselves, no offence.

o, no, and no. Hackers can do a lot if they have your email address, and even more if they have an email address attatchted to a phone number or home address. And I'de like to know what kind of encription was used...just because they were supposably heavily encrypted doesn't mean that the incription method was worth jack. Once again, it doesn't matter, Sony doesn't know if hackers were able to get through the encryption or not, and that is reason enough for concern.

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Is the world about to end for me? I don't think so.

And encryption is very hard to get through, unless they have somebody from SONY on the inside then they are not getting those credit card numbers anytime soon. And I don't know how things work in America, but here in the UK, credit card numbers are useless without a 4 digit security pin, which was confirmed not to be taken.

Your point doesn't have a leg to stand on. Once again, you would rather protect Sony, a multi million dollar corporatiuon that doesn't give a rats ass about you until you pull out your wallet, than look out for your own interests and do everything in your power to ensure you don't get taken by Identity theives, which could end up destroying any hopes of a future for you.

I would happily protect SONY, if this incident is seriously overblown then SONY's business is going to be damaged despite being nothing more than a heap of lies and rumours. I have already proven my point about identity theft not being a problem. The more the media talk out their ass, the more consumers lose faith in SONY, when the consumers lose faith in SONY, then developers lose faith in SONY. There is a huge knock on effect, the result is I have less games to play, and less friends to play with.



For just the US:

#1.) CC info from PSN de-encypted and used. - 77,000,000 accounts compromised, odds depend on how many people could be using the stolen information and how many of those accounts had cc info.

#2.) Struck by lightning. - 1/775,000 in a given year

#3.) Winning the New York Lottery. - 1/175,711,536 to match all numbers

#4.) Odds of identity theft in general - 1/18.22 

So obviously, if you are already starting out at a 1 in 18 chance of having your identity stolen in a given year, the PSN accounts compromised only heightens that chance as well as having your CC info stolen.

I'm not saying you need to worry. I for one am not worried at all over it. If it gets stolen, I have insurance and means of fixing the damage. But the chances of identity theft are actually much much higher than you'd think and the PSN hack only increases those chances.



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brendude13 said:

lots of stuff

 

The US does not require any PIN number to use credit card information, only debit cards, and even then most places can run debit cards as "credit" without needing the PIN.  We have "security codes" that we have to give when ordering online, but those are always given at the same time you give credit card info so if one is taken, most likely both are.

Either way, the account info just has to be inserted into a card with a magnetic strip which hackers can easily do and then use your card at retailers locally without needing a PIN.

Also, if you give your name, email address, address, etc. hackers can do a lot of damage, so if that was really your info that was not a very smart thing to do.



brendude13 said:

So 90% of people on this thread are stupid?

Well, I could name a few, but for the most part, that was just a silly comment, hence the "lol"

So what if it was taken? I don't need to cancel my credit cards because the bottom line is, they can't use them. Once again you ignored my comment about encryption and the lack of a bank PIN, do you have selective reading or are you really that stupid? And on paper this is a disaster for SONY, because in the end personal data was leaked. In the end, the consumer shouldn't care though because that personal data can be obtained anyway. I could walk up the road, smash open a letter box and wham, I immediately have the names and addresses of thousands of people. What exactly can I do that is so harmful, send them junk mail?

You don't need to cancel your credit cards, but it would be the smart thing to do.

You obviously missed the part where I addressed your comment about encryption, it's pointless unless you know what kind of encryption was used, also, for all we know the server passwords were also "heavily encrypted" but it would seem the hackers got through those.

The bank pin left me with a question...are you talking debt cards? because those can be used without a pin, and actual credit cards don't even have a pin, not here in the US anyway.

In the end, it does matter that the consumers data was comprimised, in the end it makes it that much easier for identity theives to victimize you. Lemme ask you this would you leave your liquer cabinet unlocked in your house if you had a chronic alcoholic as a guest? Sure, the alcoholic could smash the cabinet open, or pry it open with a crow bar, but you don't make it easy for the alcoholic to get the alcohol, why? because it may discourage said alcoholic from trashinhg your house after he/she gets drunk. It's the same deal here, throw around your personal data thinking "oh, well identity thieves can find this data on the web, so I don't need to be careful with it." That's like locking your liquer cabinet, then leaving the key on the kitchen table because the alcoholic can just ransack the house and find the key.

Anyway, what you can do with another person's adress, and what identity thieves can do with the very same adress are two very different things. The identity theives can find out a plethora of info, take out new credit cards, and take out loans just by getting your address.

Why is SONY offering a 1 million identity theft policy? I'll let maths solve this one. 10 million credit cards are linked to PSN, 10 million x 1 million = 10 trillion dollars. Do you really think SONY can just cough up 10 trillion dollars, or even a fraction of that? ...No.

I don't think you understand what an identity theft policy is, or how much it costs, here is a link for your enjoyment! https://www.identityedge.com/signup/ 1 million dollar plans start at just $149.99 a year, so Sony doesn't have to cough up 1 mil.

That policy is there for piece of mind, to calm down the gullable and paranoid morons who believe everything they read, instead of finding out everything for themselves, no offence.

True the policy is there for peace of mind, it is also to try and stave off the inevitable class action and individule lawsuits should anybody become a victim of identity theft because of the PSN debocle. Anyway, I suggest you take your own advice here and start researching this topic instead of blindly protecting Sony over a topic you clearly have no knowlege of.

Is the world about to end for me? I don't think so.

That wasn't smart, I would edit your post to delete that info...I'm not joking here. Like I said before, identity thieves can do more than you can imagine whith just your address.

And encryption is very hard to get through, unless they have somebody from SONY on the inside then they are not getting those credit card numbers anytime soon. And I don't know how things work in America, but here in the UK, credit card numbers are useless without a 4 digit security pin, which was confirmed not to be taken.

Not really, if you know what you are doing, you can slice through most encryption like its wet paper. As for the pin numbers, you don't think they can find that once they have your credit card number? please!

I would happily protect SONY, if this incident is seriously overblown then SONY's business is going to be damaged despite being nothing more than a heap of lies and rumours. I have already proven my point about identity theft not being a problem. The more the media talk out their ass, the more consumers lose faith in SONY, when the consumers lose faith in SONY, then developers lose faith in SONY. There is a huge knock on effect, the result is I have less games to play, and less friends to play with.


Hate to burst you bubble, but this is a very real situation here, if you choose not to believe the "lies and rumers" (utter BS btw) fine, but I've done everything I could to warn you that this is much more seriouse that you think. The media is hyping a huge story...what else is new?  Breaking a large news story is hardly "talking out of one's ass".





"with great power, comes great responsibility."