^^^^ what you say is true but lets be real here, people are not asking for Nintendogs and Brain Age, at least not the forum dwellers, i believe thats what Kivi was getting at, or i could be wrong
| oniyide said: ^^^^ what you say is true but lets be real here, people are not asking for Nintendogs and Brain Age, at least not the forum dwellers, i believe thats what Kivi was getting at, or i could be wrong |
Well, let's also be honest with ourselves. We forum dwellers make up less than 1% of the population. And while we buy more than the avg 2-3 games per system, Nintendo has proved they could make a lot more profit appealing to that 'casual' gamer who only buys 1-3 games.
We also complain about EVERYTHING and are the most fickle group out there. With nearly everyone here having strong bias for or against certain games/systems. While some of us might buy every major HD release of the year (Portal 2, Mortal Kombat, Mass Effect 3, Dragon Age II, etc.), that same person might turn around and rag on the Wii for eing a 'kiddy' system. And the opposite is true for some Wii owners.
The casual gamer is not so fickle and may buy 'Angry Birds' and 'Mortal Kombat' both. I think that's what Nintendo is counting on with the 3DS. To draw in both types of gamers, then turn around and get them into games they might not have played before. Same with Cafe.
Six upcoming games you should look into:
Saving the 3DS might be impossible at this point, its probably time for Nintendo to relegate it to third column status and divert development resources back to the DS, let the 3DS slowly wither away
| d21lewis said: I haven't read any of these doom and gloom threads so if I'm saying something that's already been posted, please forgive me. Remember when the PS1 and Saturn launched? The best selling console that year was the Snes. Remember when the PS2 launched? The best selling console that year was the PS1. Remember when the 360 launched? The best selling console was still the PS2. Nintendo now has two full fledged portable consoles on the market. One is still selling like hotcakes and the other has backwards compatability but the library isn't too enticing, yet. When the 3DS come into its own, it will do well. In the mean time, like pretty much every generation in the past, an established console with a great library of games, and a user friendly price is going to take the top spot. Right now, Nintendo is its own competition. This is nothing new and nothing that hasn't happend before. You guys aren't new to this, are you? *this is all from memory, mind you. there may be a couple of exceptions......but I doubt it.* |
It depends. The Wii outsold the PS2 by about 5.2 million units in 2007. Now I know the Wii released Nov 2006 in NA and Dec 2006 in Japan, EU and Australia but close enough. Sadly vgchartz doesn't have monthly charts anymore (unless they made that a "paid" feature).
And the DS outsold the GBA by 2.1 million units in 2005. Once again DS released Nov 2004 in NA, Dec 2004 in JP (it released in 2005 in EU and Australia) but close enough I guess.
I bet if we looked at year on year sales ending March 2012, the DS still outsells the 3DS. The 3DS is historically quite expensive for a Nintendo handheld, there is a lot of controversy surrounding the 3D (plenty of people getting headaches, a significant minority not being able to see the 3D effect very well, etc.) and I'm afraid Nintendo will be shooting themselves in the foot by revolving their system around the 3D gimmick (after all they call it a 3DS). The 3DS was a very risky move by Nintendo (so was the Wii but not all risks work out). Most of the Nintendo fans will defend the 3DS no matter what because they defended the N64 and Gamecube too (except for the Malstrom faction that doesn't want to see Nintendo go back to the N64/Gamecube days. I can't say I agree with everything Malstrom has to say. But I'm one of those Nintendo fans who historically liked the NES/SNES and Nintendo handhelds but wasn't too keen on the N64/Gamecube). They'll buy anything Nintendo. But I don't see the 3DS replicating the success of the GBA, let alone the sales of the DS. I feel that Nintendo is going the wrong direction (the N64/Gamecube direction) with their handheld. The 3D gimmick is also waning in movies. It's a fad.
And the NGP will basically be relegated to niche status outside Japan. It will be even less successful than the PSP outside Japan. The smart device gaming market has been really hurting the PSP and it will also hurt the NGP. As for Japan, I think it comes down to the pricing. The 3DS has a huge profit margin apparently but the NGP's profit margin will likely be slim. So Nintendo has more leeway for price cuts. If the NGP isn't that much more expensive than the 3DS, it should win I think. Historically we've have seen the PSP perform strongly against the DS even at higher price points (look at amazon.co.jp. The PSP's are actually more expensive there than the DSi's and the PSP is tearing up Japan like a ravaging tentacle monster. Apparently the PSP didn't get a price cut there like they did over here.)
@kenryoku thats why i said forum dwellers, i know we are a small percent, I like the 3DS and im not concerned in the slightest that it will do badly. I could honestly care less about those Nintendogs and Brain trainings, I could find cheaper alternatives on my smart phone. But Ninty can make as much of those games as they want as long as im getting the games i enjoy as well its all good
RolStoppable said:
That's a silly idea. They just need to use their current development resources to make games similar to the ones that made the DS successful and advertise those, like 2D platformers. People aren't going to be pissed that not every 3DS game features 3D gameplay. The 3D effect can also be used in sidescrollers. Sure, it's going to look less impressive, but that's not what people buy those games for in the first place anyway. The belief that 2D gameplay or DS-like games in general can't sell on the 3DS is as flawed as the thought that every Wii game must make use of motion controls. In the end it's all about building a diverse quality games library, then it's only a matter of time until hardware sales rise. |
Problem is also the extremely limited battery life on the 3DS, that's going to be a problem that plagues the 3DS even if the library improves
RolStoppable said:
This is pretty much the same thing as in another recent thread, you know which one. Price really isn't the deciding factor here. It's all about the games. If you look at the timeframe when the PSP has been outselling the DS you will notice that the amount of big and semi-big games released for Sony's handheld is considerably bigger, so it's not shocking to see gamers choosing the PSP over the DS recently despite the former having a higher price. Therefore the conclusion that the NGP should win if it's only marginally more expensive than the 3DS is flawed. It will mainly come down to third party support and if they choose to abandon Nintendo, then, and only then, Sony has a real chance. In case we will be looking at equal support, Nintendo should have no trouble to stay on top. Their headstart will mean that their library will always be ahead of the NGP in the number of available quality games and lower price combined with Nintendo's advantage in the first party department should seal the deal. Of course this doesn't mean that the 3DS will ever sell at the same ridiculous pace as the DS did in its peak years, but that most likely won't be necessary to beat Sony anyway. |
Well yeah, the PSP can get away with a higher price point because the Japanese third-party software is very strong there right now. With the software backing, NGP could get away being a little higher in price. And theres something like 48 Japanese developers that are supporting the NGP. http://kotaku.com/#!5744522/uncharted-leads-the-psp2s-first-game-lineup By pigeonholing itself around 3D, I think Nintendo sealed the 3DS's fate. When you call the system 3DS, basically everything on the system has to be stereoscopic 3D. Nintendo is gambling a good 5 years at least (assuming it plans to stand by the Nintendo 3DS and not screw over the people who bought one) on a gimmick. Sometimes gambling on a gimmick pays off. But I don't see it paying off this time. 3D is a gimmick that pisses a lot of people off (a large minority of people can't see in 3D and others get headaches or sick from it). The 3D fad is fading in Hollywood as well. And if you are going to pay $250 just to turn the 3D off, the Japanese are going to think "I might as well get a NGP."
I don't know why Nintendo has this idea in their heads that they need a gimmick every single time now. The Wii and DS didn't sell because of the gimmicks. They sold because the games were fun. Eyestrain, headaches, nausea or not even being able to see the damn effects is not fun.
loves2splooge said:
Well yeah, the PSP can get away with a higher price point because the Japanese third-party software is very strong there right now. With the software backing, NGP could get away being a little higher in price. And theres something like 48 Japanese developers that are supporting the NGP. http://kotaku.com/#!5744522/uncharted-leads-the-psp2s-first-game-lineup By pigeonholing itself around 3D, I think Nintendo sealed the 3DS's fate. When you call the system 3DS, basically everything on the system has to be stereoscopic 3D. Nintendo is gambling a good 5 years at least (assuming it plans to stand by the Nintendo 3DS and not screw over the people who bought one) on a gimmick. Sometimes gambling on a gimmick pays off. But I don't see it paying off this time. 3D is a gimmick that pisses a lot of people off (a large minority of people can't see in 3D and others get headaches or sick from it). The 3D fad is fading in Hollywood as well. And if you are going to pay $250 just to turn the 3D off, the Japanese are going to think "I might as well get a NGP." I don't know why Nintendo has this idea in their heads that they need a gimmick every single time now. The Wii and DS didn't sell because of the gimmicks. They sold because the games were fun. Eyestrain, headaches, nausea or not even being able to see the damn effects is not fun. |
Umm 3D doesn't appear to be going anywhere. Hollywood is constantly churning out 3D movies just look at Thor or the upcoming Transformers. A large amount of consumers enjoy seeing their movies in 3D I am one of them. 3D is like BluRay some producers supported it others did not, sales didn't pick up for awhile. Look at HD it too was a gimmick and publishers did not all jump on board immediatly it took awhile.
3D is here to stay whether you like it or not. Glasses 3D TV's might be dissapearing shortly but 3D itself will not.
As for Nintendo needing a gimmick, I hate the word gimmick. I prefer innovation when a console manufacturer or any product manufacturer releases a new unique product I don't see that as a gimmick. I see it as an innovation. The products that rip it off are gimmicks in my opinion. Nintendo has always innovated in the industry remember that analog stick gimick of the N64 , or Rumble or how about the first console wireless controller. Nintendo innovates and if they didn't they would be left behind.
3D on 3DS is a natural progression. Had Nintendo just made a super powerful GameBoy what would differentiate it from the NGP? Nintendo needs to innovate it can't afford to be left behind!
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