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kitler53 said:
dsister said:
osamanobama said:

your maths seem very wrong.

bluray: single layer: 25 GB

DVD: duallayer: 8 GB x 3 = 24 GB

also i think thats the first time ive ever heard the arguement that bluray is holding back content. congratulations, you deserve a prize for that.

 

also your bolded says, you will only NEED to swap disks twice. meaning at minimum, the very least, you will need to change dicks 2 times. but if you read the article again, when it mentions side missions, it seems to allude to that if you wanted to complete some of them, you would need to swap disk more than twice. 


No, my math is right, your knowledge on dual layer DVDs is off. A single layer is 4.7 GBs, a dual layer is 8.5 GBs. 

8.5 8.5 8.5= 25.5 

25x1=25 

You are taking something and trying to warp it in the worst way possible. All the multi-game discs I played I could travel all I want. I only had to swap for story segments. And lets look at it one more time: 

In fact, players will only need to swap discs twice at natural breaks between cases without interrupting the flow of the game

Swapping while trying to do side missions would severely interrupt the flow of the game. Come on, this is fun. How else can you twist it? 

Report: New disc format for Xbox 360 adds 1GB of space

A “highly placed” development source close to Digital Foundry has said that the “updated Xbox 360 disc format,” being tested by Microsoft will add 1GB storage for the console’s game discs.

 

The maximum space for game data on 360-discs currently stands at 6.8GB with 1GB of the 7.95GB dual layer DVD alloted to anti-piracy and other security measures. Digital Foundry believes the video partition has “either been drastically reduced or omitted completely in the new format Microsoft is looking to roll-out.”

Those who are accepted into the beta of the preview program are getting Halo: Reach as a test disc-reward, and will obviously contain whatever format Microsoft is testing. Since users’ Xbox 360 DVD drive could be from either Samsung, Hitachi, Benq or Liteon depending on the model’s year – it’s no wonder the firm is looking for “multiple thousands” of testers.

Reach itself took up 6.6GB of disc space, so DF believes “ether padding or additional content will have been added to this new edition,” or data is being allocated to areas of the disc “the video partition would have previously occupied.”

Developers would appreciate the extra 14-15 percent disc room, obviously, but it might also be a way for Microsoft to implement new anti-piracy measures.

“MS will introduce XBG3 – this will add more AP checks, CVI (content integerity) checks, increase the disc size and adds a new layer for protection issues – all in the 20500 sdk,” said Xbox 360 DVD firmware hacker “Commodore4eva”, before adding “bring it on.”

Likely someone will spill the beans soon once the discs start rolling out to users.

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~7.8 * 3 = ~23.4

so unless this rumor of increasing space (meaning reducing the reserved space for security, not added potential data amount) will come true for this game.

then 3 disks = 20.4 GB

on a somewhat unrelated note. here is the quote that made me think that you may have to switch disks more than once, if you want to do old side missions.

"I've seen several of the game's cases, each of which is presented as a discrete episode, though players can diverge and tinker with some side-missions. Rockstar and Team Bondi people who worked together on the game have likened L.A. Noire to a couple of seasons of a TV show. And it turns out they made some episodes they didn't have disc space for. "

i could be wrong, and i really dont care if i am. its good for the people that want me to be wrong



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osamanobama said:

you just said it again.

you acting if doing both those things are the same.

i should add that Killzone 3 is a dual layed game. it has ZERO loads, or installs. when playing it i had no idea that two layers was needed, there was no indication, nothing. i just played the game with out interuption.

sure a game like killzone could be on mulile disk, with load times, i could switch disks once, without missing anything. but would i want to? NO., i would not.

How did I do what again? It's a simple fact, adding more space= more content. Nowhere did I say the size would be equivalent, or that multiple discs were better.

If we are arguing you are going to have to tell me what my point is so I can argue it... 



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kitler53 said:

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~7.8 * 3 = ~23.4


See, now this is something that will shut me up! But you have to wonder, how is it they are bragging about filling up a blu-ray when they fit the same content on apparently 2 Gigs less of memory. 

Does anyone have any idea how much space Sony takes up with it's bloatware on discs? 



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dsister said:
kitler53 said:

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~7.8 * 3 = ~23.4


See, now this is something that will shut me up! But you have to wonder, how is it they are bragging about filling up a blu-ray when they fit the same content on apparently 2 Gigs less of memory. 

Does anyone have any idea how much space Sony takes up with it's bloatware on discs? 

the ps3 has exclusive content, maybe thats why?

maybe they are stretching the truth, to make it seem they are close to filling up a bluray



dsister said:
LivingMetal said:


Let's say you had to swap disc from 1 to 2.  There is common data that has to be on all discs for the game to properly function.  If tha data of the main controlled charatcer is NOT on discs 2 and discs 3, how would you control the same main character?  You can't.  Now sometimes the same data is also repeated on a single blu-ray to help reduce seek time.  That depends on the programming and programmers.  But if you are controlling the main character throughout a three disc (DVD) game, you have to have three time the same data amongst three discs as opposed to it once on one DVD and possibly one Blu-ray.  Therefore, your total space amongst multiple DVD's are not used as effectively.


The title suggests they filled up a blu-ray disc. So even if they had to do this they didn't seem to worry about size of these duplications, so I still see the Xbox discs having more space... 

 

So.  We're discussing more than just the title.  Where have you been?



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osamanobama said:

the ps3 has exclusive content, maybe thats why?

maybe they are stretching the truth, to make it seem they are close to filling up a bluray


But the Consul's Car Traffic Case is DLC, no? 



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LivingMetal said:

So.  We're discussing more than just the title.  Where have you been?

Fine, lets discuss the article itself. 

Nsanity said: 

 The forthcoming game about being a detective in 1947 Los Angeles fills a single-layer, 25 GB Blu-Ray disc on the PlayStation 3.

twist that!



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dsister said:
osamanobama said:

the ps3 has exclusive content, maybe thats why?

maybe they are stretching the truth, to make it seem they are close to filling up a bluray


But the Consul's Car Traffic Case is DLC, no? 


I dont know.

sounds like PR or since they did have bluray to work with, they repeated lots of data and left things uncompressed because they didnt have limations on space



At this point I think Blu Ray is wasted on the PS3. We'll have to see what the NES 6 can do before you can truly see what advantage Blu Ray gives a game. I think I'll wait on the technically superior NES 6 version TYVM!



Tease.

dsister said:
LivingMetal said:


You said:

"Swapping while trying to do side missions would severely interrupt the flow of the game. Come on, this is fun. How else can you twist it? "

I don't think he said anything about "severely interrupt."  You did, most likely to paint a false picture to argue against to make him look bad.  Why would you do something like that?


I'll get to your other post in a second.

The "severely interrupt" was a quote from the original source... How is quoting the original source making him look bad? 

 

Really?  I didn't see anything about "severely interrupt" in the orginal source.  You mean the original article?