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I doubt Anonymous did it. Like others have said, hackers are not all evil. Many of them follow a code of honor and frown upon credit and identity theft. I wouldn't be surprised if certain self-serving members of the group went rogue and did it. But that's not what the group's philosophy is really about. 

That all said, I definitely think they should keep an eye on Anonymous. Especially if former members may be involved.



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kitler53 said:

i wonder if any laws will be added/changed based off of this.  hackers that were upset about not being able to hack the ps3 just may find themselves a lot worse off becase of this if congress decides to change laws to protect big buisiness.

Haha, it seems to be the opposite of this actually. 

Without Sony or Epsilon present, much of the hearing focused on potential data protection legislation that would create some kind of process for auditing a company's data security measures to make sure they conform to best practices. Breach notification rules were also discussed, and the Federal Trade Commission pushed for Congress to give it civil penalty authority to go after companies that lose data through carelessness; in the last 10 years, the FTC has brought cases against 34 such companies, though it is currently limited in the penalties it can seek.


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dsister said:
Vetteman94 said:

Well thats what i get for believing what i read on the internet.

No, you were right originally. 

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/05/house-hearing-blasts-sonys-half-hearted-half-baked-hack-response.ars

That brings up what was wrong with their security 

Without Sony or Epsilon present, much of the hearing focused on potential data protection legislation that would create some kind of process for auditing a company's data security measures to make sure they conform to best practices. Breach notification rules were also discussed, and the Federal Trade Commission pushed for Congress to give it civil penalty authority to go after companies that lose data through carelessness; in the last 10 years, the FTC has brought cases against 34 such companies, though it is currently limited in the penalties it can seek.

 

So currently, no legislation exists, and they discussed what laws should be made. Looks like Sony is scot-free for this case.



theprof00 said:

Without Sony or Epsilon present, much of the hearing focused on potential data protection legislation that would create some kind of process for auditing a company's data security measures to make sure they conform to best practices. Breach notification rules were also discussed, and the Federal Trade Commission pushed for Congress to give it civil penalty authority to go after companies that lose data through carelessness; in the last 10 years, the FTC has brought cases against 34 such companies, though it is currently limited in the penalties it can seek.

 

So currently, no legislation exists, and they discussed what laws should be made. Looks like Sony is scot-free for this case.


I read that as they aren't scotfree. They can be fined, but not substantially from the government.

 

Pretty sure that won't prevent the class action lawsuits being filed against them from various people 



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dsister said:
kitler53 said:

i wonder if any laws will be added/changed based off of this.  hackers that were upset about not being able to hack the ps3 just may find themselves a lot worse off becase of this if congress decides to change laws to protect big buisiness.

Why? 

To punish people that weren't involved, because some other hackers did something that was already illegal? 

congress is very reactive to situations.  after one occurs there is often times pressure to make it look like they are doing something to make it better. 



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dsister said:
Vetteman94 said:

Well thats what i get for believing what i read on the internet.

No, you were right originally. 

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/05/house-hearing-blasts-sonys-half-hearted-half-baked-hack-response.ars

That brings up what was wrong with their security 

No, he was wrong originaslly.



theprof00 said:
dsister said:
Vetteman94 said:

Well thats what i get for believing what i read on the internet.

No, you were right originally. 

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/05/house-hearing-blasts-sonys-half-hearted-half-baked-hack-response.ars

That brings up what was wrong with their security 

Without Sony or Epsilon present, much of the hearing focused on potential data protection legislation that would create some kind of process for auditing a company's data security measures to make sure they conform to best practices. Breach notification rules were also discussed, and the Federal Trade Commission pushed for Congress to give it civil penalty authority to go after companies that lose data through carelessness; in the last 10 years, the FTC has brought cases against 34 such companies, though it is currently limited in the penalties it can seek.

 

So currently, no legislation exists, and they discussed what laws should be made. Looks like Sony is scot-free for this case.

What about those cases? Are they government related only now?



dsister said:
Vetteman94 said:

Well thats what i get for believing what i read on the internet.

No, you were right originally. 

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/05/house-hearing-blasts-sonys-half-hearted-half-baked-hack-response.ars

That brings up what was wrong with their security 


Lol so the government that looses a laptop with all the information concerning 70 millions veterans is going to sue companies for bad security...LOL



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thranx said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Vetteman94 said:
Galaki said:
Apparently, the firm is claiming Anonymous were responsible for the attack, as a file named Anonymous was found on one of Sony’s servers with the words “We are Legion” attached to it.

Really? You can pin the blame with a text file? :)


Sure why not

yep and with those assholes recent history, evidence are 'against' them.

and I don't think they said they were responsible tho right? I think they just said a file was left by the hackers with that name.

honest to god if I see one more guy defending hackers I'm gonna lose it!

or not but yea you get the point

Not all hackers are evil. Perhaps if people would stop trying to piant every hacker as wrong/evil others would not have to defend hackers that are not doing anything wrong.


oh I'm sure they are not all evil....but I never said that and it's not what I meant either obviously. I'm referring to the scum who were supposed to be fighting the good fight for the sake all of 'us'.

You mean like the US military? I have yet to figure out how kill people in Libya or Iraq has made me more free but rather made my freedoms disappear.

OT: Sounds like a plant. It is very easy to plant a text file like that. Anonymous isn't for mass destruction and stealing people who have nothing to do with anything's info. Yes doxing Kaz and the Sony employees is Anon's game, not millions of PSN user accounts. Sounds like a general hacker wanted CCs to sell on the market. Probably the same hacker that hit Steam a year back.



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thranx said:
kitler53 said:
Galaki said:
kitler53 said:
Galaki said:
Apparently, the firm is claiming Anonymous were responsible for the attack, as a file named Anonymous was found on one of Sony’s servers with the words “We are Legion” attached to it.

Really? You can pin the blame with a text file? :)


Really?  You can santify them from blame just because one guy said it wasn't them?

Anon is loose nit group with no leader or structure.  just because the guy who did the youtube video didn't do the hack doesn't mean the guy who did the hack didn't do it because in support of anon.  frankly there is no way to for even anon to know if anon did it at this point.

yes, the hacker could have left that file to frame anon.  but also yes, it could have been someone who believes they are anon.

I am not saying it can't be anon. I am just saying, that's a flimsy piece of evidence.

gotcha, well i can agree with that.  but we all know sony would love to have this pinned on anon so if it is the only evidence it will be the evidence they produce.

i wonder if any laws will be added/changed based off of this.  hackers that were upset about not being able to hack the ps3 just may find themselves a lot worse off becase of this if congress decides to change laws to protect big buisiness.


Not sure but I thought I saw an article that Austriala was going to be changing some of its security laws. Congress should be concerned about protecting consumers not Corporations. But i would not be suprised if that is the route they go.

i'm not sure what you excatly meant by this part ... protect consumer rights to modify their property?

i don't think congress will see it like this.  they will see the millions of consumers that had their private information stolen.  i imagine if any laws are passed it will be to A) regulated minimum security standards for business B) stronger more comprehensive laws to prevent hackers from hacking.