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thranx on 04 May 2011
LivingMetal said:
thranx said:
LivingMetal said:
Galaki said:

Wait. What? I don't see anyone defending "the hackers". Did I miss something?


thranx is.


I am? pleas show me how i am defending them

 

You did say:

"No i dont agree. I have yet to see sony supporters reconcile the fact that sony did not keep their server software up to date which is a basic security task."

So that means the hackers have a right and are not to blame for hacking Sony's servers.


lol. I gues if you want to add all sorts of word to my sentance that i didn't say then yes. Or you can read the words i did say erlier where i said hackers are at fault too. No I am not blaming anon for this. I really know nothing about them. First I ever heard about them was with this sony mess. But most organized groups do like to claim "credit" for their actions and i have seen anon do nothing but deny this.



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Galaki on 04 May 2011
LivingMetal said:
thranx said:
LivingMetal said:
Galaki said:

Wait. What? I don't see anyone defending "the hackers". Did I miss something?

thranx is.

I am? pleas show me how i am defending them

You did say:

"No i dont agree. I have yet to see sony supporters reconcile the fact that sony did not keep their server software up to date which is a basic security task."

So that means the hackers have a right and are not to blame for hacking Sony's servers.

Actually, no. Calling Sony out for shoddy security does not mean defending the hackers.

There are 3 players in this case.

Consumers = victim and innocent player

Sony = victim due to own's shoddy security

hackers = bad guy

After all is said and done, Sony will have its security toughen (they made new position and all), which, in the end, is good for future consumers.

That said, calling Sony bad does not automatically make the hackers good. They are still bad.



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thranx on 04 May 2011
theprof00 said:

Actually, it very much reinforces the idea that an anon member was behind this.

"Prof00 you're such a sony fanboy and just ignoring facts, and now you're pretending to be malstrom."

Yes to the second, but to the first? Maybe. The facts show that data was taken, but no CC companies have reported strange activity, and nobody has reported theft of any kind, not even identity theft....well at least none that I've heard about other than in a forum.

This is typical of anonymous. It's all about scaring the opposition into submission. Anon is never about doing actual irreperable harm. This is a simple message to Sony to back off.

 So sorry to everyone who thought that this was fake, and that Sony was going to collapse. It's just another slap on the wrist.

If that was the case dont you think they would take credit and reassure the masses their info is safe with non criminals? But what you say is plausible. Or at least that it is a member of anon that went rogue. I just haven't seen any hard evidnce poitning to that.

On another note, identy theft will take longer to show up, I wouldn't expect to see it soo soon.



Vetteman94 on 04 May 2011
Galaki said:

Actually, no. Calling Sony out for shoddy security does not mean defending the hackers.

There are 3 players in this case.

Consumers = victim and innocent player

Sony = victim due to own's shoddy security

hackers = bad guy

After all is said and done, Sony will have its security toughen (they made new position and all), which, in the end, is good for future consumers.

That said, calling Sony bad does not automatically make the hackers good. They are still bad.

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dsister on 04 May 2011
thranx said:

If that was the case dont you think they would take credit and reassure the masses their info is safe with non criminals? But what you say is plausible. Or at least that it is a member of anon that went rogue. I just haven't seen any hard evidnce poitning to that.

On another note, identy theft will take longer to show up, I wouldn't expect to see it soo soon.


The thing about anonymous is that they don't have an actual group. They have some groups but there is no chain of command and they don't report to each other. So it's completely possible they have a splintergroup that decided to hack it. 



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Vetteman94 on 04 May 2011
Ail said:
thranx said:
LivingMetal said:
thranx said:
LivingMetal said:
thranx said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Vetteman94 said:
Galaki said:
Apparently, the firm is claiming Anonymous were responsible for the attack, as a file named Anonymous was found on one of Sony’s servers with the words “We are Legion” attached to it.

Really? You can pin the blame with a text file? :)


Sure why not

yep and with those assholes recent history, evidence are 'against' them.

and I don't think they said they were responsible tho right? I think they just said a file was left by the hackers with that name.

honest to god if I see one more guy defending hackers I'm gonna lose it!

or not but yea you get the point

Not all hackers are evil. Perhaps if people would stop trying to piant every hacker as wrong/evil others would not have to defend hackers that are not doing anything wrong.


Perhaps some users here should stop bashing Sony at most every turn just because the PS3 is not their system of choice.  Therefore, others would not have to defend Sony that are not doing anything wrong.


I am not talking about defending Sony, that is fine. He was talking about hackers. Perhaps you guys would defend sony better by putting forth good arguments as to why they are right in this situation istead of the "la la la defence its all the hackers faults they are evil."


A lot of us have put out good arguments in favor of Sony.  But the Sony haters will always hate, never agree.  Do you agree?


No i dont agree. I have yet to see sony supporters reconcile the fact that sony did not keep their server software up to date which is a basic security task.

You know the only information we have concerning that is a guy reporting they were running an old version of Apache.

That version while not being up todate had no known security hole...

I thought that it did have a known vulnerability that was fixed on the later versions



Alby_da_Wolf on 04 May 2011
Galaki said:
Apparently, the firm is claiming Anonymous were responsible for the attack, as a file named Anonymous was found on one of Sony’s servers with the words “We are Legion” attached to it.

Really? You can pin the blame with a text file? :)


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thranx on 04 May 2011
dsister said:
thranx said:

If that was the case dont you think they would take credit and reassure the masses their info is safe with non criminals? But what you say is plausible. Or at least that it is a member of anon that went rogue. I just haven't seen any hard evidnce poitning to that.

On another note, identy theft will take longer to show up, I wouldn't expect to see it soo soon.


The thing about anonymous is that they don't have an actual group. They have some groups but there is no chain of command and they don't report to each other. So it's completely possible they have a splintergroup that decided to hack it. 

But if that groups views differ from the main group are they really acting in anon's interest? Wouldn't it just be another group of "anonymous" hackers? I see the issue here. Maybe I just dont know enough about anon. I am not a hacker and not into that scene.



theprof00 on 04 May 2011
thranx said:
theprof00 said:

Actually, it very much reinforces the idea that an anon member was behind this.

"Prof00 you're such a sony fanboy and just ignoring facts, and now you're pretending to be malstrom."

Yes to the second, but to the first? Maybe. The facts show that data was taken, but no CC companies have reported strange activity, and nobody has reported theft of any kind, not even identity theft....well at least none that I've heard about other than in a forum.

This is typical of anonymous. It's all about scaring the opposition into submission. Anon is never about doing actual irreperable harm. This is a simple message to Sony to back off.

 So sorry to everyone who thought that this was fake, and that Sony was going to collapse. It's just another slap on the wrist.

If that was the case dont you think they would take credit and reassure the masses their info is safe with non criminals? But what you say is plausible. Or at least that it is a member of anon that went rogue. I just haven't seen any hard evidnce poitning to that.

On another note, identy theft will take longer to show up, I wouldn't expect to see it soo soon.

You never know. Homeland fucking security could be complicating things that might have simply been concluded.

And yes, I don't think it's actually Anon, but some rogue member of Anon. But that's who the main players usually are. As far as the note itself, there's really no reason to leave a note saying that you're anonymous if you're really not anonymous. It's not like it would lead anyone off the trail. 

Note: "I'm an anonymous member of the internet." 

see, really no reason to pretend.

The only real possibility is that it's Sony lying, but if you're willing to immediately accept that Sony lying is more believable than the simple alternative, then there's no real debateable issue. (not saying you are doing that)



Alby_da_Wolf on 04 May 2011

Galaki said:

[...]

Actually, no. Calling Sony out for shoddy security does not mean defending the hackers.

There are 3 players in this case.

Consumers = victim and innocent player

Sony = victim due to own's shoddy security

hackers = bad guy

After all is said and done, Sony will have its security toughen (they made new position and all), which, in the end, is good for future consumers.

That said, calling Sony bad does not automatically make the hackers good. They are still bad.

This.



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