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LivingMetal said:
Galaki said:

Wait. What? I don't see anyone defending "the hackers". Did I miss something?


thranx is.


I am? pleas show me how i am defending them



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Technically it was them. The hacker was "anonymous." The fact is Sony was hacked by someone. It could very well have been one of the group or someone else. At the end of the day Anonymous was very out in the open recently aboput there dislike for Sony and attempted to shut down their network. This could all be a big rouse on Sonys part to press charges against hackers in general. Who knows. Sony will use this to their advantage and I hope it is a big victory for them. While I think it is perfectly fine to mod your PS3 or 360 to do what you want, once Sonys or Microsofts network is involed it should become a crime. If you are modding a unit that connects to a server and potentially opening up a security risk in the process then your should be prosecuted.



Vetteman94 said:
thranx said:
Ajescent said:

Just to clearify: Is your standpoint that No Hackers are to blame for any of this?


Of course not. Its most likely criminal hackers that were after CC info, and user info. You obvioulsty have to have a hacker to hack something. I also did not agree with them ddos sony earlier. its just funny to watch the sony supporteers find any reason to not hold sony responsible for their shoddy security.

Well just like you are asking to not have all hackers lumped into one group, I dont think you should lump all Sony Supporters into one group as well.  There are many Sony Supporters who know that Sony shoulders some of the blame for the security problems with the PSN.  Just not all of it as some posters would want you to believe.


Of course as with all generalizations there are some who dont. Its jsut the majority of the arguments i see.



thranx said:
LivingMetal said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Ajescent said:

There's no denying this could be a frame up but still...the gun is smoking right now...


oh for sure. There definately is a chance it's a move by Sony (smart one too I think)..but then again I won't be too shocked if it was real. Annonymous isn't exactly hush hush type of group and have a tendency to over do things in a dramatic way with videos and such.

Either way burn them all! buahahhahhahahhahahah lol


Yep, it's always Sony's fault.  Any reasonable argument that remotely favors Sony should never be listened to, never agreed upon.  Everyone else NOT in favor of Sony is Holy, pure, and blameless.


Its partly their fault for having lax security. Is it that hard to admit that Sony did not keep upto date on their security that is their responsibilty to consumers. Theifs are also respnoible for stealing the info through hacking.

oh the thing is tho even I blame Sony to an extent, they should have done a better job at security for sure. But this whole mess is thanks to hackers. If someone robs a store, I won't only blame the store manager who didn't lock the door properly, I will put the blame mostly on the bastards who came in and took our stuff!



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Galaki said:

Wait. What? I don't see anyone defending "the hackers". Did I miss something?


I think you have to read between the lines...or between the inbetweeners...or something.



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thranx said:
LivingMetal said:
thranx said:
LivingMetal said:
thranx said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Vetteman94 said:
Galaki said:
Apparently, the firm is claiming Anonymous were responsible for the attack, as a file named Anonymous was found on one of Sony’s servers with the words “We are Legion” attached to it.

Really? You can pin the blame with a text file? :)


Sure why not

yep and with those assholes recent history, evidence are 'against' them.

and I don't think they said they were responsible tho right? I think they just said a file was left by the hackers with that name.

honest to god if I see one more guy defending hackers I'm gonna lose it!

or not but yea you get the point

Not all hackers are evil. Perhaps if people would stop trying to piant every hacker as wrong/evil others would not have to defend hackers that are not doing anything wrong.


Perhaps some users here should stop bashing Sony at most every turn just because the PS3 is not their system of choice.  Therefore, others would not have to defend Sony that are not doing anything wrong.


I am not talking about defending Sony, that is fine. He was talking about hackers. Perhaps you guys would defend sony better by putting forth good arguments as to why they are right in this situation istead of the "la la la defence its all the hackers faults they are evil."


A lot of us have put out good arguments in favor of Sony.  But the Sony haters will always hate, never agree.  Do you agree?


No i dont agree. I have yet to see sony supporters reconcile the fact that sony did not keep their server software up to date which is a basic security task.

You know the only information we have concerning that is a guy reporting they were running an old version of Apache.

That version while not being up todate had no known security hole...



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Superman4 said:

Technically it was them. The hacker was "anonymous." The fact is Sony was hacked by someone. It could very well have been one of the group or someone else. At the end of the day Anonymous was very out in the open recently aboput there dislike for Sony and attempted to shut down their network. This could all be a big rouse on Sonys part to press charges against hackers in general. Who knows. Sony will use this to their advantage and I hope it is a big victory for them. While I think it is perfectly fine to mod your PS3 or 360 to do what you want, once Sonys or Microsofts network is involed it should become a crime. If you are modding a unit that connects to a server and potentially opening up a security risk in the process then your should be prosecuted.


well said



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thranx said:
LivingMetal said:
Galaki said:

Wait. What? I don't see anyone defending "the hackers". Did I miss something?


thranx is.


I am? pleas show me how i am defending them

 

You did say:

"No i dont agree. I have yet to see sony supporters reconcile the fact that sony did not keep their server software up to date which is a basic security task."

So that means the hackers have a right and are not to blame for hacking Sony's servers.



Actually, it very much reinforces the idea that an anon member was behind this.

"Prof00 you're such a sony fanboy and just ignoring facts, and now you're pretending to be malstrom."

Yes to the second, but to the first? Maybe. The facts show that data was taken, but no CC companies have reported strange activity, and nobody has reported theft of any kind, not even identity theft....well at least none that I've heard about other than in a forum.

This is typical of anonymous. It's all about scaring the opposition into submission. Anon is never about doing actual irreperable harm. This is a simple message to Sony to back off.

 So sorry to everyone who thought that this was fake, and that Sony was going to collapse. It's just another slap on the wrist.



LivingMetal said:
thranx said:
LivingMetal said:
Galaki said:

Wait. What? I don't see anyone defending "the hackers". Did I miss something?


thranx is.


I am? pleas show me how i am defending them

 

You did say:

"No i dont agree. I have yet to see sony supporters reconcile the fact that sony did not keep their server software up to date which is a basic security task."

So that means the hackers have a right and are not to blame for hacking Sony's servers.

I think you are reading too much into that