Thats great, was anyhting factually wrong in what I stated? For dealing with facts you sure dont use many. Morals? Who is being morally wrong here? How is doing something to what I own a moral wrong (not that i own a ps3 nor have i ever hacked anyhting)

You said that it's safe to assume that hacking a console is legal, citing pc and cellphones as reasoning.

You are making an argument based on a theory. Theory =|= fact.

We can talk all day about why pc and cell phones would be exceptions, and you can tell me how it's all the same. We'll never agree.

In the case of cell phones, it was decided that not allowing jailbreaking gave too much power to cell phone companies. In fact, the ruling on it is more related to the number-integrity case that happened a few years before in which it was decided by law that cell phones were required to let you take your own telephone number to a different carrier. The idea was that phone companies were locking people in unfairly by a customer losing their number.This is the same situation people with 600$ phones face today. Want to leave verizon because it's 100$/ month? Nope, not allowed, otherwise your phone is worthless. Cellphone jailbreaking ruling is consumer protection, not consumer rights.

You see why it's hopeless?

You said that it's safe to assume that hacking a console is legal, citing pc and cellphones as reasoning.

You are making an argument based on a theory. Theory =|= fact.

We can talk all day about why pc and cell phones would be exceptions, and you can tell me how it's all the same. We'll never agree.

In the case of cell phones, it was decided that not allowing jailbreaking gave too much power to cell phone companies. In fact, the ruling on it is more related to the number-integrity case that happened a few years before in which it was decided by law that cell phones were required to let you take your own telephone number to a different carrier. The idea was that phone companies were locking people in unfairly by a customer losing their number.This is the same situation people with 600$ phones face today. Want to leave verizon because it's 100$/ month? Nope, not allowed, otherwise your phone is worthless. Cellphone jailbreaking ruling is consumer protection, not consumer rights.

I brought up points that showed occasions were hacking your own equiptment was legal. You are more than welcome to show me some court cases people have lost for hacking their own hardware. I would love the info.

I brought up points that showed occasions were hacking your own equiptment was legal. You are more than welcome to show me some court cases people have lost for hacking their own hardware. I would love the info.

I clearly stated it was up in the air in the first sentance. But given that all other case law that i have read allows you to hack your own equiptment i would lean towards hacking your console as ok also. But again it is not set in stone which i also said. Basically we really will not know unitl there is another court case, which i also said. Feel free to show me cases were people have been punished for hacking their own hardware. The more info i can get, the better  i can understand the situation.

if we can hack computers, and if people in sony think the ps3 is a computer than what are we supposed to think?

" "Speaking about the PS3, we never said we will release a game console," he said. "It is radically different from the previous PlayStation. It is clearly a computer. Indeed, with a game console, you need to take out any unnecessary elements inside the console in order to decrease its cost. ... This will of course apply to the PS3 as well."

""However, the PS3 is a computer," Kutaragi said. "Lowering costs is important but more important is its capacity to evolve. I think the HDD will gain in capacity. If a new technology gets into mainstream PCs, the PS3 will have to adopt it as well. Maybe the Blu-ray drive will become writable. Well, maybe not at this point.""

http://www.1up.com/news/hey-ps3-computer-game-system

The context and subject here is Sony and the PS3.  Let's not divert attention from things we cannot sucessfully argue.  Peace.