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Ajescent said:
thranx said:
Ajescent said:

So is everyone convinced that Sony are the ones trying to frame Anon?


Boy the thread got big while I was gone. I dont think it was sony trying to frame them. I really hope not cause I am sure that would come back to bite them in the butt. I also dont think the original anon group did this. Other than that I really have no thoughts. I think it was done by Criminals whos goal was to steal info and cc numbers


I'm just baffled by how people can think Sony are the ones trying to frame Anon seriously, what do they stand to gain from doing that?

From Sony's standpoint, it doesn't matter who hacked them, they were hacked that's where the matter ends. What could pointing the finger at Anon possibly gain them?

To play devil's advocate?


People will be less likely to support consumer rights the next time they try to sue somebody.

Also somewhat ties the actions to Hotz... so people get a little mad at him too... and ignore the fact that Sony totally botched their lawsuit against him and had to abort.

 

There are reasons.... I just wouldn't call in the FBI if I was going to do it.



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Kasz216 said:
Ajescent said:
thranx said:
Ajescent said:

So is everyone convinced that Sony are the ones trying to frame Anon?


Boy the thread got big while I was gone. I dont think it was sony trying to frame them. I really hope not cause I am sure that would come back to bite them in the butt. I also dont think the original anon group did this. Other than that I really have no thoughts. I think it was done by Criminals whos goal was to steal info and cc numbers


I'm just baffled by how people can think Sony are the ones trying to frame Anon seriously, what do they stand to gain from doing that?

From Sony's standpoint, it doesn't matter who hacked them, they were hacked that's where the matter ends. What could pointing the finger at Anon possibly gain them?

To play devil's advocate?


People will be less likely to support consumer rights the next time they try to sue somebody.

Also somewhat ties the actions to Hotz... so people get a little mad at him too... and ignore the fact that Sony totally botched their lawsuit against him and had to abort.

 

There are reasons.... I just wouldn't call in the FBI if I was going to do it.

I don't think Sony aborted considering Hotz got more restrictions against him no?



PS One/2/p/3slim/Vita owner. I survived the Apocalyps3/Collaps3 and all I got was this lousy signature.


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Ajescent said:
Kasz216 said:
Ajescent said:
thranx said:
Ajescent said:

So is everyone convinced that Sony are the ones trying to frame Anon?


Boy the thread got big while I was gone. I dont think it was sony trying to frame them. I really hope not cause I am sure that would come back to bite them in the butt. I also dont think the original anon group did this. Other than that I really have no thoughts. I think it was done by Criminals whos goal was to steal info and cc numbers


I'm just baffled by how people can think Sony are the ones trying to frame Anon seriously, what do they stand to gain from doing that?

From Sony's standpoint, it doesn't matter who hacked them, they were hacked that's where the matter ends. What could pointing the finger at Anon possibly gain them?

To play devil's advocate?


People will be less likely to support consumer rights the next time they try to sue somebody.

Also somewhat ties the actions to Hotz... so people get a little mad at him too... and ignore the fact that Sony totally botched their lawsuit against him and had to abort.

 

There are reasons.... I just wouldn't call in the FBI if I was going to do it.

I don't think Sony aborted considering Hotz got more restrictions against him no?


They dropped charges vs everyone else in the suit, dropped charges against hotz, and didn't even force him to admit anything was wrong.

They basically offered him a sweetheart deal that basically wouldn't negativly effect him in any way and let him avoid sitting in court for the years Sony would of dragged it out.

It was nothing short of a stone cold abort.  The info they must have pulled up ziltch on the supeonas.

I mean, what's the message... if you hack a Sony device, they're going to make you super famous, you get to be the symbol of the internet freedom movement for a while, be on all sorts of TV shows and GREATLY boost your hireability on the job market... and the cost to this is.... you won't be able to hack and distribute another Sony product? 

Not the best message to be sending out.  Espiecally if you think about it for 2 seconds and realize that the punishment isn't really a Punishment... I mean... I'm not going to hack and distribute a sony device because if I do... I won't be able to hack and distribute sony devices? 

That's like saying I'm never going to try and get that Trophy... because If I do... i'll never be able to get it again.

 

 

 



Kasz216 said:
Ajescent said:
Kasz216 said:
Ajescent said:
thranx said:
Ajescent said:

So is everyone convinced that Sony are the ones trying to frame Anon?


Boy the thread got big while I was gone. I dont think it was sony trying to frame them. I really hope not cause I am sure that would come back to bite them in the butt. I also dont think the original anon group did this. Other than that I really have no thoughts. I think it was done by Criminals whos goal was to steal info and cc numbers


I'm just baffled by how people can think Sony are the ones trying to frame Anon seriously, what do they stand to gain from doing that?

From Sony's standpoint, it doesn't matter who hacked them, they were hacked that's where the matter ends. What could pointing the finger at Anon possibly gain them?

To play devil's advocate?


People will be less likely to support consumer rights the next time they try to sue somebody.

Also somewhat ties the actions to Hotz... so people get a little mad at him too... and ignore the fact that Sony totally botched their lawsuit against him and had to abort.

 

There are reasons.... I just wouldn't call in the FBI if I was going to do it.

I don't think Sony aborted considering Hotz got more restrictions against him no?


They dropped charges vs everyone else in the suit, dropped charges against hotz, and didn't even force him to admit anything was wrong.

They basically offered him a sweetheart deal that basically wouldn't negativly effect him in any way and let him avoid sitting in court for the years Sony would of dragged it out.

It was nothing short of a stone cold abort.  The info they must have pulled up ziltch on the supeonas.

I mean, what's the message... if you hack a Sony device, they're going to make you super famous, you get to be the symbol of the internet freedom movement for a while, be on all sorts of TV shows and GREATLY boost your hireability on the job market... and the cost to this is.... you won't be able to hack and distribute another Sony product? 

Not the best message to be sending out.  Espiecally if you think about it for 2 seconds and realize that the punishment isn't really a Punishment... I mean... I'm not going to hack and distribute a sony device because if I do... I won't be able to hack and distribute sony devices? 

That's like saying I'm never going to try and get that Trophy... because If I do... i'll never be able to get it again.

 

 

 


Did you miss the part where he was banned from ever touching anything Sony related again, if he did so, he would be fined something like $20,000 for every item he touched?

Why else do you think he took on that nonsensical self imposed "boycott", it was to save face and attempt to look cool in front of his "fans".

Though I agree, should have gone the whole hog and ruined him completely. I still believe it was his efforts that ultimately led us down to the part we are on now so I have no sympathy for the guy.



PS One/2/p/3slim/Vita owner. I survived the Apocalyps3/Collaps3 and all I got was this lousy signature.


Xbox One: What are you doing Dave?

Ajescent said:
thranx said:
Ajescent said:

So is everyone convinced that Sony are the ones trying to frame Anon?


Boy the thread got big while I was gone. I dont think it was sony trying to frame them. I really hope not cause I am sure that would come back to bite them in the butt. I also dont think the original anon group did this. Other than that I really have no thoughts. I think it was done by Criminals whos goal was to steal info and cc numbers


I'm just baffled by how people can think Sony are the ones trying to frame Anon seriously, what do they stand to gain from doing that?

From Sony's standpoint, it doesn't matter who hacked them, they were hacked that's where the matter ends. What could pointing the finger at Anon possibly gain them?

I would say VERY likely, some hackers decided to stick the file on there, to get people think Anonymous did it.  As for what gain Sony has, WELL.... apparently Anonymous was on a crusade for consumer rights, to get Sony to put back features they took out and promised when people originally bought the PS3 (like OtherOS).  By having people believe, particularly Sony users, that Anonymous did it, they can turn public opinion in their favor and against Anonymous.  Doing this means they win the PR battle.  That is what blaming Anonymous gains for them.  If you get the public to turn against Anonymous, they lose complete support, and get marginalized.



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Ajescent said:
Kasz216 said:
Ajescent said:
Kasz216 said:
Ajescent said:
thranx said:
Ajescent said:

So is everyone convinced that Sony are the ones trying to frame Anon?


Boy the thread got big while I was gone. I dont think it was sony trying to frame them. I really hope not cause I am sure that would come back to bite them in the butt. I also dont think the original anon group did this. Other than that I really have no thoughts. I think it was done by Criminals whos goal was to steal info and cc numbers


I'm just baffled by how people can think Sony are the ones trying to frame Anon seriously, what do they stand to gain from doing that?

From Sony's standpoint, it doesn't matter who hacked them, they were hacked that's where the matter ends. What could pointing the finger at Anon possibly gain them?

To play devil's advocate?


People will be less likely to support consumer rights the next time they try to sue somebody.

Also somewhat ties the actions to Hotz... so people get a little mad at him too... and ignore the fact that Sony totally botched their lawsuit against him and had to abort.

 

There are reasons.... I just wouldn't call in the FBI if I was going to do it.

I don't think Sony aborted considering Hotz got more restrictions against him no?


They dropped charges vs everyone else in the suit, dropped charges against hotz, and didn't even force him to admit anything was wrong.

They basically offered him a sweetheart deal that basically wouldn't negativly effect him in any way and let him avoid sitting in court for the years Sony would of dragged it out.

It was nothing short of a stone cold abort.  The info they must have pulled up ziltch on the supeonas.

I mean, what's the message... if you hack a Sony device, they're going to make you super famous, you get to be the symbol of the internet freedom movement for a while, be on all sorts of TV shows and GREATLY boost your hireability on the job market... and the cost to this is.... you won't be able to hack and distribute another Sony product? 

Not the best message to be sending out.  Espiecally if you think about it for 2 seconds and realize that the punishment isn't really a Punishment... I mean... I'm not going to hack and distribute a sony device because if I do... I won't be able to hack and distribute sony devices? 

That's like saying I'm never going to try and get that Trophy... because If I do... i'll never be able to get it again.

 

 

 


Did you miss the part where he was banned from ever touching anything Sony related again, if he did so, he would be fined something like $20,000 for every item he touched?

Why else do you think he took on that nonsensical self imposed "boycott", it was to save face and attempt to look cool in front of his "fans".

Though I agree, should have gone the whole hog and ruined him completely. I still believe it was his efforts that ultimately led us down to the part we are on now so I have no sympathy for the guy.

He is allowed to use all the SOny products he wants to, he just isn't allowed to hack any Sony products anymore.



fordy said:
LivingMetal said:
thranx said:
kitler53 said:
Galaki said:
kitler53 said:
Galaki said:
Apparently, the firm is claiming Anonymous were responsible for the attack, as a file named Anonymous was found on one of Sony’s servers with the words “We are Legion” attached to it.

Really? You can pin the blame with a text file? :)


Really?  You can santify them from blame just because one guy said it wasn't them?

Anon is loose nit group with no leader or structure.  just because the guy who did the youtube video didn't do the hack doesn't mean the guy who did the hack didn't do it because in support of anon.  frankly there is no way to for even anon to know if anon did it at this point.

yes, the hacker could have left that file to frame anon.  but also yes, it could have been someone who believes they are anon.

I am not saying it can't be anon. I am just saying, that's a flimsy piece of evidence.

gotcha, well i can agree with that.  but we all know sony would love to have this pinned on anon so if it is the only evidence it will be the evidence they produce.

i wonder if any laws will be added/changed based off of this.  hackers that were upset about not being able to hack the ps3 just may find themselves a lot worse off becase of this if congress decides to change laws to protect big buisiness.


Not sure but I thought I saw an article that Austriala was going to be changing some of its security laws. Congress should be concerned about protecting consumers not Corporations. But i would not be suprised if that is the route they go.


Corporations are run by people.  Corporations hire people.  Those people are consumers.  As business thrives, the people who work for those corporations have a lively hood that allows them to be consumers.  Let's not use your false assumption as an excuse to side against Sony again.


BP hires people too. Should they have not been dealt with as severely? the laws are there to protect the people, right?


I know what you're saying, but the "consumers rights" argument have been abused on these boards to give excuse to bash a console maker in this context.  I have openly voiced that the PS3 is my console of choice.  Sony has not violated my right as a consumers.  Hackers have made my gaming life "harder."  When Sony protects their IP, that in turn gives consumers such as I a better gaming experience.  Let's not take thing out of context to "prove" a point.



LivingMetal said:

I know what you're saying, but the "consumers rights" argument have been abused on these boards to give excuse to bash a console maker in this context.  I have openly voiced that the PS3 is my console of choice.  Sony has not violated my right as a consumers.  Hackers have made my gaming life "harder."  When Sony protects their IP, that in turn gives consumers such as I a better gaming experience.  Let's not take thing out of context to "prove" a point.

Remember that you're not the only customer. Just because it's okay to you may not be okay to someone else. They are just excercising their rights.



Galaki said:
LivingMetal said:

I know what you're saying, but the "consumers rights" argument have been abused on these boards to give excuse to bash a console maker in this context.  I have openly voiced that the PS3 is my console of choice.  Sony has not violated my right as a consumers.  Hackers have made my gaming life "harder."  When Sony protects their IP, that in turn gives consumers such as I a better gaming experience.  Let's not take thing out of context to "prove" a point.

Remember that you're not the only customer. Just because it's okay to you may not be okay to someone else. They are just excercising their rights.

 

Oh, you mean those consumers who think they have a right to violate the TOS they agreed upon?



LivingMetal said:
Galaki said:
LivingMetal said:

I know what you're saying, but the "consumers rights" argument have been abused on these boards to give excuse to bash a console maker in this context.  I have openly voiced that the PS3 is my console of choice.  Sony has not violated my right as a consumers.  Hackers have made my gaming life "harder."  When Sony protects their IP, that in turn gives consumers such as I a better gaming experience.  Let's not take thing out of context to "prove" a point.

Remember that you're not the only customer. Just because it's okay to you may not be okay to someone else. They are just excercising their rights.

 

Oh, you mean those consumers who think they have a right to violate the TOS they agreed upon?

Terms of service isn't always binding and can be nullified rather easily. It's not the same thing as a signed contract.



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