fordy said:
In which case, more is better. |
ok, dude.
100+M CC numbers is a hackers wet dream....
He probably instantly shit out three days worth of food when he realized what was happening.


fordy said:
In which case, more is better. |
ok, dude.
100+M CC numbers is a hackers wet dream....
He probably instantly shit out three days worth of food when he realized what was happening.


theprof00 said:
If I hacked into Sony and exposed to 100 M credit card numbers and personal information, I wouldn't take time out of my day to get in touch with Anon and let them know. Again you make the mistake of treating Anon like a cohesive group that knows everything the other is doing. On the other hand, you say they are loosely controlled. Your understanding of Anon is flawless, but your understanding of how they operate is contradictory to that. If they are loosely affiliated, how would others know far enough in advance to claim it???!? |
Oh for crying out loud, give it up will you. You're not a fool, stop pretending to be one and stop posting this mind numbing rubbish in an attempt to sway the masses. People aren't as stupid as you might think.
theprof00 said:
Look, hackers are an extremely egotistical slice of society. They brand EVERYTHING. They even release underground CDs with the music they make for their keygens. (YES, they release keygens with Homemade Midi music.....they are actually really sweet MIDIs too) I don't know where you are getting the information to back your logic, but looking at all angles, if ANYONE is lying here, the CIA and homeland security likely put them up to it. For what reason? I'd say to trick the hackers into thinking that the investigation is on the wrong track. Communication is everything to organizations, so miscommunication and misinformation is really the only motive I can see here. (Of course, if the hackers are not rogue members of anon, and never placed that calling card, they would know that Sony is lying, figure out the scheme, and make off to Thailand or a deserted island. Lying that you're on the wrong track is only ever meant to buy a little time before you strike) So, I'd say that whole scenario is pretty unlikely. If Sony planted ANYTHING, and then LIED to congress about it? If you believe that they think they can get away with that while several government intelligence agencies are combing their servers, you must think really lowly of them. |
FYI, the music you hear in keygenscrack patches isn't MIDI. It's MOD.
TheRealProff said:
Oh for crying out loud, give it up will you. You're not a fool, stop pretending to be one and stop posting this mind numbing rubbish in an attempt to sway the masses. People aren't as stupid as you might think. |
Oh MAN, This is the biggest compliment I've ever gotten!!


theprof00 said:
1. Yes, I could see this. However, HOW IN THE WORLD would this benefit the hacker. Honestly. How does increasing unwarranted government seizure of computers and tapping phones help some guy hack? In fact, Anon is kind of a social network, like prison, where they learn each other's trade secrets etc. How would this benefit? More importantly, you imply that someone would leave that information to frame Anon. Unlikely, given the above. It is more likely that a person subscribing to Anon did it. There is no other reason for it. 2. It's not easy to fake. All files have "birthdates". They know exactly where and when they've appeared. The CIA can take a destroyed hard drive, and for ten thousand or so, restore every single bit on the drive. It is just not possible. If someone broke in your house and killed a family member, would you write a fake note signed by someone you don't like before you called the cops. |
1. Why wouldn't it benefit a hacker? If a hacker was doing it for profit. You know, broke in to try and steal CC#s (successful or not) and then sell them. Hmm, why would that hacker want to blame a big group of cyber-terrorists for it? I mean, I'm sure bankrobbers wait in line at the police station to take credit for what they've done. They wouldn't THINK of blaming someone else if they had the chance.
2. Yes, all files have "birthdates" . . . and because this information is a simple piece of data, it can be faked. If you want, I can send you a file that was created April 1st, 1959 with big picture of Nathan Drake on it. Not that difficult. You don't even need to be a hacker, much less a systems admin at a major corporation (who could likely do that sort of thing for a file on a server without too much trouble). We are talking metadata, not braking some super encrypted key.
Thank god for the disable signatures option.
It's funny how the same members make the best points over and over again to the same stupid members over and over again and all those stupid members support Sony. Then all the intelligent members look at it objectively but the stupid members call it "hate".
Even the members who aren't stupid are starting to sound like morons due to their filthy little bias seed inside them/
Basically anyone who disagrees with Kazcs is a moron, anyone with intelligence can see this. If you can't you're stupid.
My post sums up everyone on vgchartz in the past 2 weeks.
Good day.
| TheRealProff said: It's funny how the same members make the best points over and over again to the same stupid members over and over again and all those stupid members support Sony. Then all the intelligent members look at it objectively but the stupid members call it "hate".
Even the members who aren't stupid are starting to sound like morons due to their filthy little bias seed inside them/
Basically anyone who disagrees with Kazcs is a moron, anyone with intelligence can see this. If you can't you're stupid. |
Is your name meant to be "TheRealProof" or is this some kind of internal struggle with theprof? :)
| TheRealProff said: It's funny how the same members make the best points over and over again to the same stupid members over and over again and all those stupid members support Sony. Then all the intelligent members look at it objectively but the stupid members call it "hate".
Even the members who aren't stupid are starting to sound like morons due to their filthy little bias seed inside them/
Basically anyone who disagrees with Kazcs is a moron, anyone with intelligence can see this. If you can't you're stupid.
My post sums up everyone on vgchartz in the past 2 weeks.
Good day. |
who is disagreeing with Kasz?
and who is arguing to support Sony?
Your description of what is going on is about as accurate as the second f in your name.
Pro-tip: Just because I'm (and others) are saying that it makes no sense for Sony to plant information, it doesn't instantly mean that we're being swayed by bias. We are being REALISTIC.
I see the problem now with mainstream (predominantly American entertainment media). You guys all think this is like a James Bond movie. Real life is much less interesting than you think it is.
Also, thanks for informing me that it's MOD, and not MIDI. I've never really bothered to look it up.
@profcrab
What is the motivation for leaving a txt message from Anon if you're not Anon? Like I said, "to frame them", is not an answer. You think he left it to lead them off the trail? In what way would that work? Anon is already a memberless group. So leaving a message saying, "anon was here lawl", doesn't point in any direction. It would make sense if the message was "Microsoft wuz here", or, "EFF wuz here", because that would actually point to someone. I feel like I'm not explaining properly how this works. Basically, the person who reads the message "anon wuz here" is going to say to themselves, "So it could be anybody". How is that leading anyone around falsely or "off the trail"?
Also, you think the CIA, wouldn't be able to figure out if a piece of evidence was planted by Sony??
Think about it. You come home and someone is dead. What's the first thing you do? Call the cops, or plant a fake letter in an attempt to clear yourself of suspicion? I know it's different, but it's not different by much.


| theprof00 said:
@profcrab What is the motivation for leaving a txt message from Anon if you're not Anon? Like I said, "to frame them", is not an answer. You think he left it to lead them off the trail? In what way would that work? Anon is already a memberless group. So leaving a message saying, "anon was here lawl", doesn't point in any direction. It would make sense if the message was "Microsoft wuz here", or, "EFF wuz here", because that would actually point to someone. I feel like I'm not explaining properly how this works. Basically, the person who reads the message "anon wuz here" is going to say to themselves, "So it could be anybody". How is that leading anyone around falsely or "off the trail"? Also, you think the CIA, wouldn't be able to figure out if a piece of evidence was planted by Sony?? Think about it. You come home and someone is dead. What's the first thing you do? Call the cops, or plant a fake letter in an attempt to clear yourself of suspicion? I know it's different, but it's not different by much. |
Listen, it is not a frame as in "OMG, send all of Anonymous to jail" and it isn't evidence that stands up in court. You need to understand that there are multiple reasons to leave even a stupid note like that. If you are Sony, it would be for a PR reason. If you are a cybercriminal you want to promote goverments and the public targeting and fearing some memberless cyberterrorist group and not the huge internet fraud market. More efforts hunting Anonymous = less efforts hunting some douche in an Eastern Europeon country. Even if they do some hunting for the guy there. The public isn't thinking about it which is just fine with them because internet fraud is BIG there. They have every reason in the world to do anything they can to not get caught. The last thing the reason cyber criminals want is attention because they exist because of the weak laws in the countries they are setup in. Public attention could result in US diplomatic pressure which means bad business for them if their governments actually cooperate in a crackdown. I'm sure the FBI knows where to hunt, but that doesn't mean the public is putting any pressure on its politicians to do anything about anything other than Anonymous.
Thank god for the disable signatures option.
First of all, I love how one text file is used as evidence. I mean really. In fact, to show you what I mean, I just created a text file named Anonymous that had "We Are Legion" in it on my desktop.
Second, Anonymous isn't a group that has entrance exams interviews or anything. You can come and you can go as much as you want. I can be part of anonymous just by saying so, and if I feel liek it I can say I am not a part of them. You (and I mean you, the individual reading this) can do the exact same.
So there you go, two reasons just how silly this is.
Edit: I forgot to mention. Do you HONESTLY think Anonymous will go ahead an literally rape a humongous company's security that they hate, and then proceed to not gloat endlessly about it? If you say yes, then you don't know anything about Anonymous' previous actions.
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