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richardhutnik on 04 May 2011
M.U.G.E.N said:
Vetteman94 said:
Galaki said:
Apparently, the firm is claiming Anonymous were responsible for the attack, as a file named Anonymous was found on one of Sony’s servers with the words “We are Legion” attached to it.

Really? You can pin the blame with a text file? :)


Sure why not

yep and with those assholes recent history, evidence are 'against' them.

and I don't think they said they were responsible tho right? I think they just said a file was left by the hackers with that name.

honest to god if I see one more guy defending hackers I'm gonna lose it!

or not but yea you get the point

What is the shape of you "losing it"?  Please identify so I know whether or not I should try to defend "Anonymous" here.  Won't defend individuals that harm individuals, but will look to defend the banner.

Flat out, Anonymous doesn't exist.  It is a banner, like al Qaeda, that individuals do actions under.  Unlike al Qaeda, Anonymous as a banner is even less connected with NO leaders at all.  ANY Yahoo can say they are Anonymous and act and remain hidden.

There are risks of making it so a loosely connected groups of individuals under the banner Anonymous can't act.  The risks are NO ONE ends up with any semblance of privacy and is able to fight back against a system if it becomes too oppressive.  If people want this to be so, in the name of being able to play games online for free, go for it.  But, if you find you lost all your freedom, you only have yourself to blame.



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MARCUSDJACKSON on 04 May 2011
theprof00 said:
ssj12 said:
theprof00 said:

God, you know guys, if you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and are simply relying on logic to make the points you believe in, please don't bother posting.

This is directed to all those people that think anonymous is an entity. Anonymous IS ANONYMOUS. GET IT? They have no list of members. They have no centralized membership. They have no culpability. Just because someone arbitrarily appointed themselves as "leader of anonymous" it doesn't mean they have any power, nor any leadership or followers. I know for a fact that they don't. And if you don't understand that principle, then please stop making yourselves, and us, look bad.

It's like the privateers of old. They are pirates who act under a code, and have allegiance toward a cause.... but nobody knows what they're doing. They are out and about, and nobody knows who they are.


I always forget to mention the similarity between Anon and Privateers. Glad someone mentioned it.

Well, thank you.

I just want to make it clear. I think Sony fucked up. Not for going after pirates and hackers, but for being complete noobs about it. i've lost a lot of respect for them. (Still, though ps3 has without question the BEST games this gen, save for the DS) 

I just don't understand this whole "Sony is lying" thing. Sony fucks things up enough that we don't need haters coming in and denouncing every little thing. 

Seriously, WHY in the world would Sony lie? The CIA and Homeland Security are investigating the matter. Do you REALLY believe they would lie to congress about something that the guys that found bin laden are investigating??!?!

Seriously>?

OCCAM'S RAZOR, dude. Look it up.

yea wht proof said



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richardhutnik on 04 May 2011
MARCUSDJACKSON said:

this was a cyber terrorist attack and Anonymous should be prosecuted for that crime and more.

and if they didn't do it then who ever did needs to get a life.

How do you prosecute Anonymous?  Do you get a Guy Fawkes V get up and put it on a test dummy and put it up on a witness stand to be cross-examined?  You can prosecute individuals who did it, but how do you prosecute Anonymous?  This isn't like Bin Laden, who you could hunt down. 



MARCUSDJACKSON on 04 May 2011
richardhutnik said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:

this was a cyber terrorist attack and Anonymous should be prosecuted for that crime and more.

and if they didn't do it then who ever did needs to get a life.

How do you prosecute Anonymous?  Do you get a Guy Fawkes V get up and put it on a test dummy and put it up on a witness stand to be cross-examined?  You can prosecute individuals who did it, but how do you prosecute Anonymous?  This isn't like Bin Laden, who you could hunt down. 

true, but i did say should be not actually meanning they could be!

yea one day we will catch Bin Laden? it came already! dam and to think he gets all those virgines. i hope there not all ugly.



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Rath on 04 May 2011
MARCUSDJACKSON said:

this was a cyber terrorist attack and Anonymous should be prosecuted for that crime and more.

and if they didn't do it then who ever did needs to get a life.


If you want to start trying concepts in a court of law you might have to change the laws first.

Anon is not a group, it's a loose collection of people with no clear definition between those inside and those outside.

 

A person or group of people did this. Those people may or may not have considered themselves part of Anonymous. That does not mean that Anonymous did this.



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MARCUSDJACKSON on 04 May 2011
Rath said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:

this was a cyber terrorist attack and Anonymous should be prosecuted for that crime and more.

and if they didn't do it then who ever did needs to get a life.


If you want to start trying concepts in a court of law you might have to change the laws first.

Anon is not a group, it's a loose collection of people with no clear definition between those inside and those outside.

 

A person or group of people did this. Those people may or may not have considered themselves part of Anonymous. That does not mean that Anonymous did this.

Rath buddy look i didn't mean they could be. are you guy's really missing the debates on here?

should

  • Used to indicate obligation, duty, or correctness, typically when criticizing someone's actions
    • - he should have been careful
    • - I think we should trust our people more
    • - you shouldn't have gone

     





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    Kasz216 on 04 May 2011
    Ail said:
    Vetteman94 said:
    Ail said:
    thranx said:


    No i dont agree. I have yet to see sony supporters reconcile the fact that sony did not keep their server software up to date which is a basic security task.

    You know the only information we have concerning that is a guy reporting they were running an old version of Apache.

    That version while not being up todate had no known security hole...

    I thought that it did have a known vulnerability that was fixed on the later versions

    This is the list of apache vulnerabilities :

    http://httpd.apache.org/security/vulnerabilities_22.html

    Supposedly sony was running  2.2.15.

    The only vulnerabilities listed related to DoS, not breaching the machine...


    According to sony... themselves.  Their security was broken by a known security vulernability they weren't aware of.



    arcane_chaos on 04 May 2011
    Galaki said:

    Actually, no. Calling Sony out for shoddy security does not mean defending the hackers.

    There are 3 players in this case.

    Consumers = victim and innocent player

    Sony = victim due to own's shoddy security

    hackers = bad guy

    After all is said and done, Sony will have its security toughen (they made new position and all), which, in the end, is good for future consumers.

    That said, calling Sony bad does not automatically make the hackers good. They are still bad.

    this



    o_O.Q on 04 May 2011

    "Their security was broken by a known security vulernability they weren't aware of."

    o_O... yup... that makes a lot of sense



    NJ5 on 04 May 2011

    Wait, people actually believe that "Anonymous" can be blamed for anything? Wow...

    It's an idea, not a real organization. Anyone can claim to be "Anonymous".

    PS: Anonymous was responsible for this post.



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