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Ballmer: Security is MS top priority!

Absolutely! 26 36.62%
 
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Wagram said:

IE9 may have gotten better but it doesn't change the fact that many of the previous versions sucked ass. Also a majority of people who still use IE are not on IE9 iirc.

ok my bad I thought you were talking about IE 9 as its the latest, if not then continue on :)



 

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dsister said:
A203D said:

Xbox Live was hacked in 2007. but because the different ways data are stored within the respective infrastructures for whatever reasons the hackers who targetted PSN were able to obtain personal information. where as the Live hack was a different thing althogether.


Link to prove they were hacked in 07? I really haven't heard anything about this. O.o

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/03/21/microsoft-investigating-possible-xbox-live-hacking/

http://www.gamingunion.net/news/sony-messed-up-but-they-arent-alone--4823.html

i'm sure if you type it in you'll find a bit more sources.

this incident has been forgotten, even i didnt know about it. but clearly it was a serious breach of security. although i'm guessing Microsoft handled the PR a lot better with Sony having more experience with this type of thing from Windows.

when it comes down to it, all that we knew about the hack was what the media told us. its was not disclosed until yesterday when we found out our cc information was not breached.

Sony have not handled the PR well, i dont think the media have understood the issue, since Sony said nothing about it until a few days later. and we know they have been doing a lot to rectify the issue, like completely rebuilding the PSN or tracking down the hacker.

and people saying 'you get what you pay for'... are forgetting that no system is unbreachable. there was a guy who broke into the military a few years ago for information about UFOs. China is rumoured to be responsible for major attacks on the Canadian digital infrastrucure - which they have not been able to defend against. so its ridiculous to assume because you pay for a system that system is invincible.



AussieGecko said:
Wagram said:

Yeah that's why Internet Explorer has so many security loop holes.


http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_blog/archive/2011/04/29/weekend-reading-april-29th-edition-hulu-plus-goes-live-on-xbox-and-ie9-s-malware-protection-gets-praise-from-zdnet.aspx

 

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the latest pwn2own says yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46114zQiVgg

 

the next P2O will target latest IE



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A203D said:

dsister said:
A203D said:

Xbox Live was hacked in 2007. but because the different ways data are stored within the respective infrastructures for whatever reasons the hackers who targetted PSN were able to obtain personal information. where as the Live hack was a different thing althogether.


Link to prove they were hacked in 07? I really haven't heard anything about this. O.o

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/03/21/microsoft-investigating-possible-xbox-live-hacking/

http://www.gamingunion.net/news/sony-messed-up-but-they-arent-alone--4823.html

i'm sure if you type it in you'll find a bit more sources.

this incident has been forgotten, even i didnt know about it. but clearly it was a serious breach of security. although i'm guessing Microsoft handled the PR a lot better with Sony having more experience with this type of thing from Windows.

when it comes down to it, all that we knew about the hack was what the media told us. its was not disclosed until yesterday when we found out our cc information was not breached.

Sony have not handled the PR well, i dont think the media have understood the issue, since Sony said nothing about it until a few days later. and we know they have been doing a lot to rectify the issue, like completely rebuilding the PSN or tracking down the hacker.

and people saying 'you get what you pay for'... are forgetting that no system is unbreachable. there was a guy who broke into the military a few years ago for information about UFOs. China is rumoured to be responsible for major attacks on the Canadian digital infrastrucure - which they have not been able to defend against. so its ridiculous to assume because you pay for a system that system is invincible.

Did you read the first link you posted? Here it if not:

CNet has the scoop on what a Microsoft representative calls "reports of fraudulent activity and account theft taking place on the Xbox Live network." The company is investigating the claims, which include use of stored credit card information to run up massive Xbox Live points charges.

It's not yet clear how extensive these problems are, but anecdotal evidence from forums and web sites shows how the apparent theft can manifest itself. It's not yet known if the unauthorized use is the result of hacking in Microsoft's network or a phishing scam to get login details from individual users.

We're waiting to hear back from Microsoft on the extent of the problems and what specific steps are being taken to fix them. We'll keep you posted.

Update: Major Nelson: No Xbox Live security breach

 

And from the update:

Major Nelson has issued a statement dismissing recent reports that there has been a collapse in security with Xbox Live and Bungie.net. Nelson says, "Despite some recent reports and speculation, I want to reassure all of our 6 million Xbox Live members that we have looked into the situation and found no evidence of any compromise of the security of the Xbox Live Network or Bungie.net."

Nelson goes on to say that there have been "isolated incidents" where users are trying to gain personal information. Microsoft is offering a PDF on how to protect yourself against identity theft. Seriously though, it's the internets, there are predators out there trying to steal your identity. Don't ever give someone your passwords or personal info.

 

Your second link doesn't really provide any sources for supposed hacks of xbox live.



^^ So 2007 was just a Phishing scam?



 

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ssj12 said:


the latest pwn2own says yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46114zQiVgg

 

the next P2O will target latest IE


well lets wait until this thing that i have never heard of does it, the fact that you seem anti ms seems to present your thoughts, if this one is not the latest IE then you can basically not interrupt mmk.

I also replied to this about 5 posts up. Its not that difficult. Also if you clicked my link... which you don't seem to have it illustrates that I am talking about IE9  



 

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NiKKoM said:

^^ So 2007 was just a Phishing scam?


its looks like all of the xbox live hacks were phishing scams or not actual hacking into the xbox live network.

Here from the second source he posted(not the whole article this time just what mentions live, my commentary is in bold):

March of 2007. Xbox Live hacked, accounts stolen. Users raised the issue of a possible breach of Xbox Live when accounts started being "hijacked," most notably accounts linked with Windows Live ID. Online forums went rather crazy with users reporting about the breach, with some individuals having the Microsoft Points stolen or more points bought through their gamer tags. Microsoft Support wasn't the most helpful, saying that Windows Live ID can neither be stolen nor changed. In addition, a Microsoft Tech even went as far as saying that nothing could be done on their side.

I believe this is the phising scam mention earlier

Early 2008. Xbox Live down for two weeks, with intermittent access. It's a pain in the bullocks whenever an online service goes down, no matter the service provider. I know if my ISP goes down for even two hours, tables will be flipped. Xbox Live had gone down for quite a period back at the beginning of 2008. Even when it returned, its services were on and off, preventing any real fun to be had and causing more frustrations than relief. "Users may experience difficulties when matchmaking and using client voice communication within Xbox Live," now I'm not sure about you, but I'm pretty sure matchmaking is a pretty big part of the competitive online space and without it, you might as well just stick to offline gaming. PSN is currently on a week of downtime and counting, but don't forget that Xbox Live is a paid service, especially for those that enjoy playing online with the massive community.

This was due to server overload and does not mention hacking into xbox live

Now here comes the kicker. Major Nelson, Larry Hryb, director of Xbox Live, gets his account hacked back in March of last year. This was a case where it seemed like Major Nelson was specifically targeted by the hacker. The hacker had written a number of messages using the Major's account. He even went as far as to offer to hack other Live accounts for 60 big ones, as well as promoting his Skype name and putting up YouTube videos of his mad skills. Stephen Toulouse, director of policy and enforcement for Xbox Live, said the hack was "very specific" and "targeted," essentially saying that if the hacker wanted to, he could have the accounts of others at his mercy and disposal.

Just hacking a user account, not hacking the network

Just last month, it was reported that Microsoft had lost quite a bit of money thanks to a "free Microsoft Points" exploit. Hackers discovered an algorithm that they could use to add onto existing codes to get new ones, essentially giving them access to an unlimited amount of MSPs. Microsoft managed to stop the exploit, but not before losing some dough.

Again xbxo live not mentioned. Not too sure on this one, but I do not believe it was an intrusion into xbox live. I could be wrong.



selnor said:
yo_john117 said:
selnor said:
yo_john117 said:
selnor said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

So Xbox live going down for 4 (or 11? I'm confused on what the number actually is) days wasn't because of hackers?

Can anyone give a link to what happened?

Anyone who read Major Nelsons blog in 2007 would remeber. But the page no longer exists. 

It wasnt WW, and wasnt consecutive. It was intermitant. Some were affected longer than others in 1 go. 

But no. It had nothing to do with HACKERS.

Then why the hell was everyone saying it was hackers that made XBL go down? 0_o

Deflecting?

What? Who the hell said that?

Yeah deflecting.

Live did nothing but choke in 2007. 

Halo 3 release brought it down for a day in 2007 prior to Xmas. To much activity. Xmas 2007 just went way past Halo 3's release and caused huge bottlenecks.

Pretty much everyone that mention XBL in the PSN threads lol.



AussieGecko said:
ssj12 said:


the latest pwn2own says yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46114zQiVgg

 

the next P2O will target latest IE


well lets wait until this thing that i have never heard of does it, the fact that you seem anti ms seems to present your thoughts, if this one is not the latest IE then you can basically not interrupt mmk.

I also replied to this about 5 posts up. Its not that difficult. Also if you clicked my link... which you don't seem to have it illustrates that I am talking about IE9  

ya, of course you never heard of Pwn2Own, you don;t pay any attention to software security news...

Also, while the issue discovered at P2O was patched in last minute into IE9, there are tons of exploits in IE9!

And according to this site I'm anti-Sony, anti-Microsoft, anti-gaming, anti-whatever you make up at the time, and anti-something that makes no sense. WTF, quit accusing me of shit!!! And who cares if I'm anti company, if I like a product I'll still buy it even if I hate the company attached to it. I wouldnt have a PS3 or Windows on my PC if I boycotted good products! I boycott stupid company actions!



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ssj12 said:
AussieGecko said:
ssj12 said:


the latest pwn2own says yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46114zQiVgg

 

the next P2O will target latest IE


well lets wait until this thing that i have never heard of does it, the fact that you seem anti ms seems to present your thoughts, if this one is not the latest IE then you can basically not interrupt mmk.

I also replied to this about 5 posts up. Its not that difficult. Also if you clicked my link... which you don't seem to have it illustrates that I am talking about IE9  

ya, of course you never heard of Pwn2Own, you don;t pay any attention to software security news...

Also, while the issue discovered at P2O was patched in last minute into IE9, there are tons of exploits in IE9!

And according to this site I'm anti-Sony, anti-Microsoft, anti-gaming, anti-whatever you make up at the time, and anti-something that makes no sense. WTF, quit accusing me of shit!!! And who cares if I'm anti company, if I like a product I'll still buy it even if I hate the company attached to it. 


lol. you do seem anti a lot of stuff, but at least you are consitent about it. Seems more like you care about the actual issues at hand rather than the company which is a good thing