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UncleScrooge on 29 April 2011
Carl2291 said:
Carl2291 said:

Dead? No.

Dying? Debatable.

It's gone from an expectation of 20 Million to 18 Million for the last FY to 13 Million this FY. It's in free fall. Nintendo are releasing next to nothing for it in the near future and the only real "huge" 3rd party title on the horizon is Dragon Quest X.

The recent quarter is the lowest it's ever had, and to compare it to the previous generation leader... It's lower than the PS2 has ever gone in a Quarter and it doesn't have the support from 3rd parties that the PS2 had after next-gen consoles were released.

IMO, it's dying.

I'm quoting myself, just incase you didn't see it on the 1st page.

In case you're reffering to my post: The year the PS2 Slim came out Sony sold more than 18 million PS2's if I remember correctly. So I would still expect the Wii to post lower numbers than the PS2 in any case.

Seeing Nintendo's own expectations are less than 15 million for this fiscal year I guess we won't see a slim model and most likely no serious support.

Edit: And in this case I expect it to perform even worse than Nintendo expects since their forecasts seem to be too high on pretty much everything recently.



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Mr Khan on 29 April 2011
Erik Aston said:

C'mon guys. Try to understand the kind of games people are looking for here.

2D platformers. No one knows how to make these anymore. The great platformers from the NES, SNES, Game Boy and Genesis are pure, simple, content-loaded, have a very free-form playstyle with multiple paths etc, and have controls so tight that they are mesmerizing. Each of those systems has a stack of games I can describe that way. Wii has NSMBW. Even DKCR, the second best platformer on the system, I can't describe as having free-form gameplay or tight controls.

How about sports games. Wii Sports and WSR are awesome games. But the focus behind WSR was the island theme and being a WM Plus showcase. The follow-ups are things like Mario Sports Mix. The follow-up to Wii Fit is an expansion pack and nothing. All of that is very concerning. A better word than concerning might be LAME. The focus of Mario Galaxy, Smash Bros. or Zelda is just a content frenzy, and they follow them up with more content frenzies. Why don't they give their core fans the same devotion to content they give the fringe Gamecube fans?

How about action/adventure games. It's not premature to judge Waggle Puzzle Zelda. First of all, you can put pointy ears and a green hat on your Sonic Cycle GIFs and it applies perfectly. Secondly, they've shown gameplay, and everything they've shown is Waggle Puzzles, not Action/Adventure. Action gameplay means twitchy fingers and wide open player choice. In fact, twitchy fingers and wide open choices describes generations of gaming, and I just don't know where to look for it anymore.

What about racing games. Mario Kart Wii sales are downright absurd. What follows it up? Mario Kart Wii was better than Mario Kart 64, but at least MK64 had F-Zero and Diddy Kong to follow it up. That's a triumvirate of racing awesomeness.

Epic Mickey looks like one of the third party games failing to imitate Mario 64 from 1998. Last Story was literally named by typing Final Fantasy and then right-clicking and looking at the synonyms in Word. The team that made Wario Land Wii and Kirby's Yarn needs to fire everyone but the artists. These are not the droids we're searching for.

They've shown more combat than puzzles to my recknoning. Which videos were you watching?



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nitekrawler1285 on 29 April 2011
LordTheNightKnight said:
nitekrawler1285 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
nitekrawler1285 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

"Because as far as they can tell no games are coming out."

But you all are assuming that no games announced now means no games will be. People are entitled to their own opinions (why complaints about the value of a game are valid), but not to their own facts.

Until they announce more games why is it not a fact. If these titles aren't announced should we just assume they are in production? Should we just believe people other than Nintendo and maybe Ubisoft who have repeatedly seemed unintersted or unable to make software for the system have some great reason all of sudden?

I think it's smarter to not assume period as we know what it makes of you and me.  That of course just leaves us with the crappy announced software and nothing on the horizon.


But to assume the opposite is what you are doing. I'm actually stating you should wait and see. If the releases around E3 don't look any good to you, then you can call on them for the rest of the year.

So saying they have no games coming out when they don't have anything announced is assuming?  No that is just the current reality of the situation.  I don't have to wait till E3 to tell you that games are coming out for the other consoles. They are announced and I know. If Nintendo wants to change that they can but that doesn't change that as of now we know of nothing on the horizon.


Bull. You admit Nintendo doesn't announce most games early (but think they should), and then try insist that means no games are being made due to no annoucements yet. You already contradicted yourself.

Plus I've stated in the OP that Nintendo cannot afford not to release any major games. Read the OP to see why.


Well at this point in time there isn't anything in production I know about.  That's not bull. That is the sum of total information Nintendo have made available. Saying that Nintendo has nothing in production until they say they do is not bull but the state of the video game union. Get over it.
I did read the OP already but I don't care what you feel Nintendo should do or why.  I care about what Nintendo tells me which is so far they have nothing.  I'm sorry if that is bull to you.  When they confirm something I will happily say they have something on the horizon.  Until then it seems silly to do so especially when I would personally guess they are working on 3DS software(you know their newly released system) or the system that is supposed to have a play test in a month and  launch in 18 or so months( and now would be  a great time to start some software for the new system considering most games take at least 18-24 months to create.) This also isn't the first time Nintendo have left people clamouring for games anyway as the end of the n64 and GC were rather dry. 
They announced Zelda because they are working on it. Why should I have any reason to believe they are working on things for Wii right now?  They have announced nothing but the 3DS and the Wii 2.  I just assume what Nintendo has and that there will be software up for Q2.  Beyond that I see and hear nothing until they say otherwise.



LordTheNightKnight on 29 April 2011

"Well at this point in time there isn't anything in production I know about.  That's not bull. That is the sum of total information Nintendo have made available."

But you prevously wrote "they have no games coming out when they don't have anything announced"

That's trying to have it both ways. Either they have games but are not announced, or they have not games coming out to announce. It's one or the other, but since you admit you don't like Nintendo's policy of not announcing, you admit it's too soon to tell if they don't have games or not, since it's before the time for announcements.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

Stefan.De.Machtige on 29 April 2011
Carl2291 said:
Carl2291 said:

Dead? No.

Dying? Debatable.

It's gone from an expectation of 20 Million to 18 Million for the last FY to 13 Million this FY. It's in free fall. Nintendo are releasing next to nothing for it in the near future and the only real "huge" 3rd party title on the horizon is Dragon Quest X.

The recent quarter is the lowest it's ever had, and to compare it to the previous generation leader... It's lower than the PS2 has ever gone in a Quarter and it doesn't have the support from 3rd parties that the PS2 had after next-gen consoles were released.

IMO, it's dying.

I'm quoting myself, just incase you didn't see it on the 1st page.

I'm sure Nintendo has something left for the wii - business wise they have to. I just hope it's a real effort. Let's hope they bought some titles.



In the wilderness we go alone with our new knowledge and strength.

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Stefan.De.Machtige on 29 April 2011
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Carl2291 said:
Carl2291 said:

Dead? No.

Dying? Debatable.

It's gone from an expectation of 20 Million to 18 Million for the last FY to 13 Million this FY. It's in free fall. Nintendo are releasing next to nothing for it in the near future and the only real "huge" 3rd party title on the horizon is Dragon Quest X.

The recent quarter is the lowest it's ever had, and to compare it to the previous generation leader... It's lower than the PS2 has ever gone in a Quarter and it doesn't have the support from 3rd parties that the PS2 had after next-gen consoles were released.

IMO, it's dying.

I'm quoting myself, just incase you didn't see it on the 1st page.

I'm sure Nintendo has something left for the wii - business wise they have to.

I just hope it's a real effort. Let's hope they bought some titles.

Oh, like Carl2291, i just quoted myself for vanity. LoL.



In the wilderness we go alone with our new knowledge and strength.

Phoeniks.Wright on 29 April 2011

Saying a console is dead or dying is obviously an exaggeration, so when people say it rather seriously, then it doesn't make sense anymore.  It's selling a lot less, for sure, but it's now at the "normal" level of sales, so chugging along nicely. There's still more than a year before the cafe is released, so I believe some more games are going to be revealed in the meantime.



SaviorX on 29 April 2011
Erik Aston said:

People who think Nintendo is dying:

1. Nintendo haters. Ignore them. They were wrong about DS and Wii and they still don't understand what is happening today.

2. Nintendo fans. Have you been following Malstrom, and noticed how much he is speaking for a lot of Nintendo fans? People who bought into the DS in 2005 and the Wii in 2006 because they were excited about Nintendo's old school direction now feel betrayed and are depressed about the future of gaming.

3. Nintendo themselves. Read between the lines. It starts with Nintendo's 2008 holiday lineup bombing. Their public behavior since then has been erratic, most notably and most recently with the too-early Project Cafe announcement. This is not the confident E3 2006 Nintendo who know they are about to take the world by storm. This is a Nintendo who have been shocked by the failure of Wii Music, Animal Crossing Wii, Mario Galaxy 2, Other M, Choo Choo Zelda, and low early 3DS sales, and now don't know what the hell is going on. It's just going to get worse when Ocarina doesn't help 3DS sales, and Waggle Puzzle Zelda sells less than Doggie Zelda.

 

So ignore the haters, by all means. But don't ignore the former early adopters who aren't buying 3DS and think Cafe sounds lame, and don't ignore Nintendo's own behavior.

Personally, I think the best part about Twilight Princess was something that was completely optional - the 50 floor gauntlet cave.

It provided all the challenge I wanted from the game the whole time while keeping you legitimately scared of what was coming next. That fear is something that Demon Souls does extremely well. Ocarina of Time's big fear moment was encountering the ReDeads in the town when Link is an adult. Everything from their attack to the ear-piercing scream as they approached was scary. There were other dark parts of OOT as well that TP just didn't have at all in its entirety.

As for Nintendo announcing Cafe early....that's a head scratcher. I figure they would drop the HARDWARE bomb only  3-6 months before release like they used to do with software...but I guess they abandoned that strategy. However, when you find out a great game like The Last Story is a whole year away, interest fades.



Leatherhat on July 6th, 2012 3pm. Vita sales:"3 mil for COD 2 mil for AC. Maybe more. "  thehusbo on July 6th, 2012 5pm. Vita sales:"5 mil for COD 2.2 mil for AC."

Metallicube on 29 April 2011

If Wii is dying, so is Xbox 360. It has sold significantly less units than Wii, and even now Wii still keeps pace with it.



LordTheNightKnight on 29 April 2011
KylieDog said:

Wii does not die, it waits.


Okay, that made me laugh. The Wii is Chuck Norris!



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs