padib said:
lol, nice use of Nintendomination. I've been holding my tongue so much throughout this thread not to use it, but it just lends itself to the topic perfectly. So good for that. But apart from that, are you thinking of Nintendogs & Cats when getting your indicator of Nintendo's future direction for Extended audience games, because it's one of the two launch games offered by Nintendo for 3DS? That's 50% of launch games being targeted at extended audiences, so I don't see where you're coming from honestly. Regarding your response to oniyide a second ago, I think things got mixed up there. The use of violence or sexuality in the games targeted to the segment I refered to as the "Sensational Experience" crowd was more of a possibility than a requirement. In other words, it contrasts with a game like Mario which, more and more, is completely colorful and aggressivity void. Compare that to Super Mario 3 and even there it's a different Mario. It gets even worse if you compare Galaxy to Halo or MGS. I think that's where we're coming from. We're not necessarily thinking Mad World (ironically a WIi game), but think more GTA (which oniyide mentioned) as games that are targeted to more mature gamers with more real and adult themes. Heck I would even be willing to put Twilight Princess in that category of games. Metroid Prime 3 is in for sure. And no, we weren't talking about ultra blood and violence, and that's why Mortal Kombat is a very poor counter-example to use. A good counter-example to use would be Uncharted, problem is it's a million seller, so it doesn't counter too much. Add to that the fact that's it's a AAA game, and you're starting to see our point. Only thing counter in a game like Uncharted is that it's 2nd party, so Nintendo couldn't possibly which to add it to its console library (unless they bought Naughty Dog, which would never happen). But a game like MGS would be a perfect fit for our viewpoint, which at this point you should be starting to understand. |
A game that has already been done is not an expanded audience game. It is an game for the audience that enjoyed that game(Which is what NSMBW and MKW are though they do have a BIG audience). Especially one that is scant on new content and is only really improved graphically which means nothing to the expanded audience especially with it being more expensive than it's last outting(plus a more expensive console). If they made different creatures or something that hadn't been done in the petz series I might consider it expanded audience, however with games like tamagotchi collection out that audience has been well catered to and they need to keep expanding their audience.
Sexuality and crime are not really mature or adult content by my definition but I do believe I'm starting to understand what you mean. I just think that no one expects that content on Nintendo consoles because of their more than a decade long history of not having it. Having the same stuff 3rd parties are giving the other consoles does nothing to make their console better. It just makes them more like their competitors which I don't think is a good thing. The Wii is very different from the two consoles which I believe was a good thing for them. Moms didn't who got a Wii didn't want anything like the PS360 or they would have gotten one.
Chasing those 3rd party values makes their new console by virtue start adhering to things most of the expanded audience don't care about. They don't care about graphics. Upping the graphics increases the cost of the machine and being more expensive doesn't help the expanded audience cause either. Just having those games and a controller made for them will make this seem more complicated which is detrimental. Having the controller to support complicated games means complicated games will come from developers. See how what was supposed to cater to both completely starts to ignore the other? With Nintendo not coming up with any new I.P. I just don't see the Wii audience as we understand it today jumping on the ship. Especially not if they shoot for the core first and build any kind of decent reputation there. That reputation will be harmful because Cafe will be for man children and repulsive to that audience. Even worse which I think is most plausible is that they try to capture the core audience and fail because they can get a PS360 and the same games for cheaper(Sans Mario of course). Then Nintendo is left with a console no one wants because it's too expensive and doesn't offer anything different from it's competitors.
