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slowmo said:

Typical negative Sony news thread, skip the important debate and go straight to picking on other posters to deflect from the actual topic at hand.  There is only a couple of posters in here that need moderating and it aint the OP.

On topic, these estimates will just keep on rolling in, it might be a better idea to just have a fun guess the final figure thread and be done with it so everyone can keep it light hearted and stop getting so defensive.  If it is 1.5b then that's pretty huge, I personally expect it to be significantly higher as I don't see the hackers just stopping and saying Sony have had it bad enough now.


Give me a break man. First of all, when at any point did I say Nsanity deserved to be moderated? And secondly, I ask you to please find a single thing that any of the four of us have said that warrants being moderated? I've never once been moderated, and I think there's a reason for that. I do my best to keep my cool and be respectful, and I feel I've done no differently here. I'm a fan, not a fanboy, and I encourage you to try to find proof otherwise. I get more irritated by Sony fanboys than I do by 360 fanboys bc seeing Sony fanboys make ridiculous closed-minded comments embarrases me to be a fan of Sony myself.

Not once did I flip out, curse, make any angry accusations, or call Nsanity any names. I've done my best to be respectful. I've stated several times I'm not trying to start a fight; but at the same time, I've disagreed with what Nsanity does for a while now, but only now with him posting negative Sony thread after negative Sony thread regarding the current situation have I finally gotten frustrated enough to say something. I've also stated that if a Sony/ps3 fan did the same thing Nsanity does I would disagree with that person just the same. I've never called anyone else out for this before, and can't think of a single time when I've called anyone out for anything. Please explain your viewpoint and tell me why my mine (and the other 3 people's who agree with me) is so unreasonable?



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Kasz216 said:
pitzy272 said:
Kasz216 said:
 

People agreeing with you doesn't make you paranoid.  There are a number of people who agree the US government orchestrated 9/11 afterall.

Outside which... even if you are right... there is zero reason you should be frustrated by this unless what is being posted is factually inaccurate.  It makes you look bad.


Kind of a ridiculous example, especially considering the fact that about 3-4 ppl agreed with what you're saying, and 4 people agree with my point. Calling me paranoid when the viewpoints are split almost evenly down the middle doesn't seem to make sense.

Irregardless, our conversation doesn't seem like it's going anywhere. You're refusing to consider my viewpoint in any way. And you also continue to bring up defending points that I've already addressed in previous posts - one in each of your two most recent posts:

1) "there is zero reason you should be frustrated by this unless what is being posted is factually inaccurate."

--- I already mentioned this several posts ago. I said it doesn't really make a difference that he posts factual information. The fact is, he posts ALL NEGATIVE news articles about Sony, ZERO positive. When it's someone who is an obvious fan of the opposing system (i.e. 360), it displays an obvious agenda. I really feel like you're not even reading my posts.

2) "Sounds like a self rationalization to me.  Espeically considering that there has just been so much more negative sony news lately.  Anyone posting a regular subset of articles should have more negative sony news."

--- Again, I already stated:  I've been noticing this pattern with Nsanity for a while now. The fact that he's jumped on the opportunity and posted numerous threads about the current Sony situation is only what pushed me to finally say something.

It's frustrating trying to have this discussion bc it really seems like you're not even reading what I'm saying. I'm not trying to be a jerk. It's just that you keep trying to defend your point by saying things which I've already explained my reasoning for.


No, I read that... the point is... that this would bother you makes you look bad.   Even if he posted only negative sony news constantly and zero other news.. the fact that this bothers you on a forum where there are plenty of people posting all sorts of news makes you look far worse then him.

You are attacking the OP for posting factual articles in which there are nothing wrong with.

It makes you look like an extremist fan who is attempting to deflect.

Afterall, if he didn't post it... someone else would have.  So what's the issue?

I've done nothing that justifies saying I attacked the OP. Discussing is not attacking.

As far as making myself look bad, I really don't see how I've done this. I've heard 360 fans several times complain (I don't mean that to have a negative connotation) about the way they get treated by Sony/ps3 fans and for other reasons. Although I don't know if I've personally witnessed what the people were referring to, I can totally picture Sony fans being unreasonable and taking advantage of the fact that they're the majority on this site. But that's not fair, and I'm willing to believe that those persons complaints have at least some form of validity.

So in other words, I don't understand how this makes me look so bad when people bring up complaints about "opposing fans" on a regular basis. And additionally, I really don't feel that I acted crazy or said anything disrespectful, so that further confuses me as to why I've made myself look bad.



pitzy272 said:
Kasz216 said:
pitzy272 said:
Kasz216 said:
 

People agreeing with you doesn't make you paranoid.  There are a number of people who agree the US government orchestrated 9/11 afterall.

Outside which... even if you are right... there is zero reason you should be frustrated by this unless what is being posted is factually inaccurate.  It makes you look bad.


Kind of a ridiculous example, especially considering the fact that about 3-4 ppl agreed with what you're saying, and 4 people agree with my point. Calling me paranoid when the viewpoints are split almost evenly down the middle doesn't seem to make sense.

Irregardless, our conversation doesn't seem like it's going anywhere. You're refusing to consider my viewpoint in any way. And you also continue to bring up defending points that I've already addressed in previous posts - one in each of your two most recent posts:

1) "there is zero reason you should be frustrated by this unless what is being posted is factually inaccurate."

--- I already mentioned this several posts ago. I said it doesn't really make a difference that he posts factual information. The fact is, he posts ALL NEGATIVE news articles about Sony, ZERO positive. When it's someone who is an obvious fan of the opposing system (i.e. 360), it displays an obvious agenda. I really feel like you're not even reading my posts.

2) "Sounds like a self rationalization to me.  Espeically considering that there has just been so much more negative sony news lately.  Anyone posting a regular subset of articles should have more negative sony news."

--- Again, I already stated:  I've been noticing this pattern with Nsanity for a while now. The fact that he's jumped on the opportunity and posted numerous threads about the current Sony situation is only what pushed me to finally say something.

It's frustrating trying to have this discussion bc it really seems like you're not even reading what I'm saying. I'm not trying to be a jerk. It's just that you keep trying to defend your point by saying things which I've already explained my reasoning for.


No, I read that... the point is... that this would bother you makes you look bad.   Even if he posted only negative sony news constantly and zero other news.. the fact that this bothers you on a forum where there are plenty of people posting all sorts of news makes you look far worse then him.

You are attacking the OP for posting factual articles in which there are nothing wrong with.

It makes you look like an extremist fan who is attempting to deflect.

Afterall, if he didn't post it... someone else would have.  So what's the issue?

I've done nothing that justifies saying I attacked the OP. Discussing is not attacking.

As far as making myself look bad, I really don't see how I've done this. I've heard 360 fans several times complain (I don't mean that to have a negative connotation) about the way they get treated by Sony/ps3 fans and for other reasons. Although I don't know if I've personally witnessed what the people were referring to, I can totally picture Sony fans being unreasonable and taking advantage of the fact that they're the majority on this site. But that's not fair, and I'm willing to believe that those persons complaints have at least some form of validity.

So in other words, I don't understand how this makes me look so bad when people bring up complaints about "opposing fans" on a regular basis. And additionally, I really don't feel that I acted crazy or said anything disrespectful, so that further confuses me as to why I've made myself look bad.

Everything you did by calling him out is that. Heck, this post just makes you look worse.  Afterall if Ps3 fans are the biggest group, that means that "negative' sony stories are less likely to be posted.  Making it more likely to be coincidence... and actually a GOOD thing if it isn't.  It would be like if their was a politial message board that posted nothing but stuff republicans liked, and people complain that a democrat is posting anti-republican news. It might piss off some big republican "fans" but it's actually an important thing to do because it help maintains the balance.



Kasz216 said:
pitzy272 said:
Kasz216 said:
pitzy272 said:
Kasz216 said:
 

People agreeing with you doesn't make you paranoid.  There are a number of people who agree the US government orchestrated 9/11 afterall.

Outside which... even if you are right... there is zero reason you should be frustrated by this unless what is being posted is factually inaccurate.  It makes you look bad.


Kind of a ridiculous example, especially considering the fact that about 3-4 ppl agreed with what you're saying, and 4 people agree with my point. Calling me paranoid when the viewpoints are split almost evenly down the middle doesn't seem to make sense.

Irregardless, our conversation doesn't seem like it's going anywhere. You're refusing to consider my viewpoint in any way. And you also continue to bring up defending points that I've already addressed in previous posts - one in each of your two most recent posts:

1) "there is zero reason you should be frustrated by this unless what is being posted is factually inaccurate."

--- I already mentioned this several posts ago. I said it doesn't really make a difference that he posts factual information. The fact is, he posts ALL NEGATIVE news articles about Sony, ZERO positive. When it's someone who is an obvious fan of the opposing system (i.e. 360), it displays an obvious agenda. I really feel like you're not even reading my posts.

2) "Sounds like a self rationalization to me.  Espeically considering that there has just been so much more negative sony news lately.  Anyone posting a regular subset of articles should have more negative sony news."

--- Again, I already stated:  I've been noticing this pattern with Nsanity for a while now. The fact that he's jumped on the opportunity and posted numerous threads about the current Sony situation is only what pushed me to finally say something.

It's frustrating trying to have this discussion bc it really seems like you're not even reading what I'm saying. I'm not trying to be a jerk. It's just that you keep trying to defend your point by saying things which I've already explained my reasoning for.


No, I read that... the point is... that this would bother you makes you look bad.   Even if he posted only negative sony news constantly and zero other news.. the fact that this bothers you on a forum where there are plenty of people posting all sorts of news makes you look far worse then him.

You are attacking the OP for posting factual articles in which there are nothing wrong with.

It makes you look like an extremist fan who is attempting to deflect.

Afterall, if he didn't post it... someone else would have.  So what's the issue?

I've done nothing that justifies saying I attacked the OP. Discussing is not attacking.

As far as making myself look bad, I really don't see how I've done this. I've heard 360 fans several times complain (I don't mean that to have a negative connotation) about the way they get treated by Sony/ps3 fans and for other reasons. Although I don't know if I've personally witnessed what the people were referring to, I can totally picture Sony fans being unreasonable and taking advantage of the fact that they're the majority on this site. But that's not fair, and I'm willing to believe that those persons complaints have at least some form of validity.

So in other words, I don't understand how this makes me look so bad when people bring up complaints about "opposing fans" on a regular basis. And additionally, I really don't feel that I acted crazy or said anything disrespectful, so that further confuses me as to why I've made myself look bad.

Everything you did by calling him out is that. Heck, this post just makes you look worse.  Afterall if Ps3 fans are the biggest group, that means that "negative' sony stories are less likely to be posted.  Making it more likely to be coincidence... and actually a GOOD thing if it isn't.  It would be like if their was a politial message board that posted nothing but stuff republicans liked, and people complain that a democrat is posting anti-republican news. It might piss off some big republican "fans" but it's actually an important thing to do because it help maintains the balance.

so, hypothetically.

you would have no problem with someone constantly trolling system B. then praise non-stop system A as if it were God.

you wouldnt have a problem with that?



osamanobama said:
Kasz216 said:
pitzy272 said:
Kasz216 said:
pitzy272 said:
Kasz216 said:
 

People agreeing with you doesn't make you paranoid.  There are a number of people who agree the US government orchestrated 9/11 afterall.

Outside which... even if you are right... there is zero reason you should be frustrated by this unless what is being posted is factually inaccurate.  It makes you look bad.


Kind of a ridiculous example, especially considering the fact that about 3-4 ppl agreed with what you're saying, and 4 people agree with my point. Calling me paranoid when the viewpoints are split almost evenly down the middle doesn't seem to make sense.

Irregardless, our conversation doesn't seem like it's going anywhere. You're refusing to consider my viewpoint in any way. And you also continue to bring up defending points that I've already addressed in previous posts - one in each of your two most recent posts:

1) "there is zero reason you should be frustrated by this unless what is being posted is factually inaccurate."

--- I already mentioned this several posts ago. I said it doesn't really make a difference that he posts factual information. The fact is, he posts ALL NEGATIVE news articles about Sony, ZERO positive. When it's someone who is an obvious fan of the opposing system (i.e. 360), it displays an obvious agenda. I really feel like you're not even reading my posts.

2) "Sounds like a self rationalization to me.  Espeically considering that there has just been so much more negative sony news lately.  Anyone posting a regular subset of articles should have more negative sony news."

--- Again, I already stated:  I've been noticing this pattern with Nsanity for a while now. The fact that he's jumped on the opportunity and posted numerous threads about the current Sony situation is only what pushed me to finally say something.

It's frustrating trying to have this discussion bc it really seems like you're not even reading what I'm saying. I'm not trying to be a jerk. It's just that you keep trying to defend your point by saying things which I've already explained my reasoning for.


No, I read that... the point is... that this would bother you makes you look bad.   Even if he posted only negative sony news constantly and zero other news.. the fact that this bothers you on a forum where there are plenty of people posting all sorts of news makes you look far worse then him.

You are attacking the OP for posting factual articles in which there are nothing wrong with.

It makes you look like an extremist fan who is attempting to deflect.

Afterall, if he didn't post it... someone else would have.  So what's the issue?

I've done nothing that justifies saying I attacked the OP. Discussing is not attacking.

As far as making myself look bad, I really don't see how I've done this. I've heard 360 fans several times complain (I don't mean that to have a negative connotation) about the way they get treated by Sony/ps3 fans and for other reasons. Although I don't know if I've personally witnessed what the people were referring to, I can totally picture Sony fans being unreasonable and taking advantage of the fact that they're the majority on this site. But that's not fair, and I'm willing to believe that those persons complaints have at least some form of validity.

So in other words, I don't understand how this makes me look so bad when people bring up complaints about "opposing fans" on a regular basis. And additionally, I really don't feel that I acted crazy or said anything disrespectful, so that further confuses me as to why I've made myself look bad.

Everything you did by calling him out is that. Heck, this post just makes you look worse.  Afterall if Ps3 fans are the biggest group, that means that "negative' sony stories are less likely to be posted.  Making it more likely to be coincidence... and actually a GOOD thing if it isn't.  It would be like if their was a politial message board that posted nothing but stuff republicans liked, and people complain that a democrat is posting anti-republican news. It might piss off some big republican "fans" but it's actually an important thing to do because it help maintains the balance.

so, hypothetically.

you would have no problem with someone constantly trolling system B. then praise non-stop system A as if it were God.

you wouldnt have a problem with that?

In what world is posting true and relevent information trolling?

I feel like most people don't realize what the word trolling means, and instead thinks it just means "disagrees with me!"

I have a problem with trolling.  Posted new legitamite news = not trolling.



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Kasz216 said:
osamanobama said:
Kasz216 said:
pitzy272 said:
Kasz216 said:
pitzy272 said:
Kasz216 said:
 

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so, hypothetically.

you would have no problem with someone constantly trolling system B. then praise non-stop system A as if it were God.

you wouldnt have a problem with that?

In what world is posting true and relevent information trolling?

I feel like most people don't realize what the word trolling means, and instead thinks it just means "disagrees with me!"

I have a problem with trolling.  Posted new legitamite news = not trolling.

i never said this was trolling.

and i could post accurate things about sony and microsoft and still troll them. people get banned for that all the time, even if their info is acurate.

any way im done, you have i very interesting view of things, so its useless to debate



I thought this was interesting.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/27/sony-hacking-users-idUSLDE73Q13R20110427

Sony is screwed right now. Stocks are dropping. The FBI is investigating. Gamers are pissed and moving to XBox Live. Other gamers talking about boycotting Sony products. Yikes.. She what happens from moving one little feature from your PS3 system Sony.



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'gaming till I'm gone'

pitzy272 said:
slowmo said:

Typical negative Sony news thread, skip the important debate and go straight to picking on other posters to deflect from the actual topic at hand.  There is only a couple of posters in here that need moderating and it aint the OP.

On topic, these estimates will just keep on rolling in, it might be a better idea to just have a fun guess the final figure thread and be done with it so everyone can keep it light hearted and stop getting so defensive.  If it is 1.5b then that's pretty huge, I personally expect it to be significantly higher as I don't see the hackers just stopping and saying Sony have had it bad enough now.


Give me a break man. First of all, when at any point did I say Nsanity deserved to be moderated? And secondly, I ask you to please find a single thing that any of the four of us have said that warrants being moderated? I've never once been moderated, and I think there's a reason for that. I do my best to keep my cool and be respectful, and I feel I've done no differently here. I'm a fan, not a fanboy, and I encourage you to try to find proof otherwise. I get more irritated by Sony fanboys than I do by 360 fanboys bc seeing Sony fanboys make ridiculous closed-minded comments embarrases me to be a fan of Sony myself.

Not once did I flip out, curse, make any angry accusations, or call Nsanity any names. I've done my best to be respectful. I've stated several times I'm not trying to start a fight; but at the same time, I've disagreed with what Nsanity does for a while now, but only now with him posting negative Sony thread after negative Sony thread regarding the current situation have I finally gotten frustrated enough to say something. I've also stated that if a Sony/ps3 fan did the same thing Nsanity does I would disagree with that person just the same. I've never called anyone else out for this before, and can't think of a single time when I've called anyone out for anything. Please explain your viewpoint and tell me why my mine (and the other 3 people's who agree with me) is so unreasonable?


Lets just say I happen to feel that any good moderator should at least warn posters who have done nothing but post off topic in a thread for several pages.  If you think your conduct is acceptable then fine, carry on I'm not going to lose sleep over it.  For the record one of the people you're defending has pretty much flatly gone on record as having an agenda against Nsanity (ironically for him having an agenda).

I thought your initial post by the way was fine to question him but the subsequent numerous posts after despite having been given support for and against your viewpoint was just ruining the thread completely in what is really quite a serious piece of information to debate. 

I leave you to your right to respond but I'll not continue afterwards as I think I've made my feelings clear on the matter.



Kasz216 said:
pitzy272 said:
Kasz216 said:
pitzy272 said:
Kasz216 said:
 

People agreeing with you doesn't make you paranoid.  There are a number of people who agree the US government orchestrated 9/11 afterall.

Outside which... even if you are right... there is zero reason you should be frustrated by this unless what is being posted is factually inaccurate.  It makes you look bad.


Kind of a ridiculous example, especially considering the fact that about 3-4 ppl agreed with what you're saying, and 4 people agree with my point. Calling me paranoid when the viewpoints are split almost evenly down the middle doesn't seem to make sense.

Irregardless, our conversation doesn't seem like it's going anywhere. You're refusing to consider my viewpoint in any way. And you also continue to bring up defending points that I've already addressed in previous posts - one in each of your two most recent posts:

1) "there is zero reason you should be frustrated by this unless what is being posted is factually inaccurate."

--- I already mentioned this several posts ago. I said it doesn't really make a difference that he posts factual information. The fact is, he posts ALL NEGATIVE news articles about Sony, ZERO positive. When it's someone who is an obvious fan of the opposing system (i.e. 360), it displays an obvious agenda. I really feel like you're not even reading my posts.

2) "Sounds like a self rationalization to me.  Espeically considering that there has just been so much more negative sony news lately.  Anyone posting a regular subset of articles should have more negative sony news."

--- Again, I already stated:  I've been noticing this pattern with Nsanity for a while now. The fact that he's jumped on the opportunity and posted numerous threads about the current Sony situation is only what pushed me to finally say something.

It's frustrating trying to have this discussion bc it really seems like you're not even reading what I'm saying. I'm not trying to be a jerk. It's just that you keep trying to defend your point by saying things which I've already explained my reasoning for.


No, I read that... the point is... that this would bother you makes you look bad.   Even if he posted only negative sony news constantly and zero other news.. the fact that this bothers you on a forum where there are plenty of people posting all sorts of news makes you look far worse then him.

You are attacking the OP for posting factual articles in which there are nothing wrong with.

It makes you look like an extremist fan who is attempting to deflect.

Afterall, if he didn't post it... someone else would have.  So what's the issue?

I've done nothing that justifies saying I attacked the OP. Discussing is not attacking.

As far as making myself look bad, I really don't see how I've done this. I've heard 360 fans several times complain (I don't mean that to have a negative connotation) about the way they get treated by Sony/ps3 fans and for other reasons. Although I don't know if I've personally witnessed what the people were referring to, I can totally picture Sony fans being unreasonable and taking advantage of the fact that they're the majority on this site. But that's not fair, and I'm willing to believe that those persons complaints have at least some form of validity.

So in other words, I don't understand how this makes me look so bad when people bring up complaints about "opposing fans" on a regular basis. And additionally, I really don't feel that I acted crazy or said anything disrespectful, so that further confuses me as to why I've made myself look bad.

Everything you did by calling him out is that. Heck, this post just makes you look worse.  Afterall if Ps3 fans are the biggest group, that means that "negative' sony stories are less likely to be posted.  Making it more likely to be coincidence... and actually a GOOD thing if it isn't.  It would be like if their was a politial message board that posted nothing but stuff republicans liked, and people complain that a democrat is posting anti-republican news. It might piss off some big republican "fans" but it's actually an important thing to do because it help maintains the balance.

Haha yeah yeah man okay. I've tried to reason with you and ask you to consider my side of it time and time again. Each time you've shown more and more how closed-minded you are and unwilling to look from another perspective. Some people just believe what they want to believe, and you are obviously one of them. I noticed it from your very first response, but was hoping I was wrong. All the sensible reasoning in the world could be laid at your footstep and you'd still believe what you feel like believing. I've given reasonable argument after reasonable argument and in your responses the things you say completely ignore all my prior reasoning.

You also have Osamanobama saying he understands where I'm coming from and that my point is valid considering Nsanity's actions and history; yet BOTH of us (and the other two who also agreed with me) are crazy, right? I have to be honest, I haven't dealt with someone so unreasonable for quite a while. Like Osama said, you have a very interesting view of things.



slowmo said:
pitzy272 said:
slowmo said:

Typical negative Sony news thread, skip the important debate and go straight to picking on other posters to deflect from the actual topic at hand.  There is only a couple of posters in here that need moderating and it aint the OP.

On topic, these estimates will just keep on rolling in, it might be a better idea to just have a fun guess the final figure thread and be done with it so everyone can keep it light hearted and stop getting so defensive.  If it is 1.5b then that's pretty huge, I personally expect it to be significantly higher as I don't see the hackers just stopping and saying Sony have had it bad enough now.


Give me a break man. First of all, when at any point did I say Nsanity deserved to be moderated? And secondly, I ask you to please find a single thing that any of the four of us have said that warrants being moderated? I've never once been moderated, and I think there's a reason for that. I do my best to keep my cool and be respectful, and I feel I've done no differently here. I'm a fan, not a fanboy, and I encourage you to try to find proof otherwise. I get more irritated by Sony fanboys than I do by 360 fanboys bc seeing Sony fanboys make ridiculous closed-minded comments embarrases me to be a fan of Sony myself.

Not once did I flip out, curse, make any angry accusations, or call Nsanity any names. I've done my best to be respectful. I've stated several times I'm not trying to start a fight; but at the same time, I've disagreed with what Nsanity does for a while now, but only now with him posting negative Sony thread after negative Sony thread regarding the current situation have I finally gotten frustrated enough to say something. I've also stated that if a Sony/ps3 fan did the same thing Nsanity does I would disagree with that person just the same. I've never called anyone else out for this before, and can't think of a single time when I've called anyone out for anything. Please explain your viewpoint and tell me why my mine (and the other 3 people's who agree with me) is so unreasonable?


Lets just say I happen to feel that any good moderator should at least warn posters who have done nothing but post off topic in a thread for several pages.  If you think your conduct is acceptable then fine, carry on I'm not going to lose sleep over it.  For the record one of the people you're defending has pretty much flatly gone on record as having an agenda against Nsanity (ironically for him having an agenda).

I thought your initial post by the way was fine to question him but the subsequent numerous posts after despite having been given support for and against your viewpoint was just ruining the thread completely in what is really quite a serious piece of information to debate. 

I leave you to your right to respond but I'll not continue afterwards as I think I've made my feelings clear on the matter.

 

Hm, I didn't know that about him. Well I won't consider his view as anything but biased then. But being called paranoid unreasonably and nonsensically by Kaz, I was just trying to prove a point that other people agree as well.

As for ruining/derailing the thread, I understand what you're saying. It wasn't my intention. Although...where else could that conversation have taken place? I certainly couldn't have made a thread about it, right? Well irregardless, like I said I understand where you're coming from, so I apologize for causing disruption to the thread.