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Kasz216 said:

I mean... haven't you wondered why exactly we can't afford government healthcare?

Seriously... feel free to be number 1... get in all sorts of cyber wars and bullshit with China.

And we can have unniversal healthcare and spend less then we do now on government.

I'm not kidding when I say I would rather europe be number 1.

Is this some sort of reverse reverse psychology?



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Mr Khan said:

The problem is that the trend is in the other direction. Unless political trends shift, in 30 years Belgium, Britain, and Spain will cease to exist. Though Europe economically centralizes, more peoples are demanding local sovereignty as time goes on, and we'll see independent Flanders, Scotland, Wales, Basque, and Catalonia soon enough. A more peaceful nationalism seems to be the trend of the world, and the large states' days are numbered

Now i disagree with this, as i'm also of the "World State" mind. The larger states we can build, the more we can even out economic and social inequalities, broaden our ability to enforce the law and freely interact with one another, but the reality is that the world is heading in the opposite direction

EDIT:
hell, i'll add that the PlayStation 4 is unlikely to release in any nation called Belgium. That one will collapse that quicklyl

That is just a sad prospect. Those crazy nationalists don't relize what a huge mistake they're making. Hopefully the current states will treat these groups as terrorists and somehow surpress them.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
Mr Khan said:

The problem is that the trend is in the other direction. Unless political trends shift, in 30 years Belgium, Britain, and Spain will cease to exist. Though Europe economically centralizes, more peoples are demanding local sovereignty as time goes on, and we'll see independent Flanders, Scotland, Wales, Basque, and Catalonia soon enough. A more peaceful nationalism seems to be the trend of the world, and the large states' days are numbered

Now i disagree with this, as i'm also of the "World State" mind. The larger states we can build, the more we can even out economic and social inequalities, broaden our ability to enforce the law and freely interact with one another, but the reality is that the world is heading in the opposite direction

EDIT:
hell, i'll add that the PlayStation 4 is unlikely to release in any nation called Belgium. That one will collapse that quicklyl

That is just a sad prospect. Those crazy nationalists don't relize what a huge mistake they're making. Hopefully the current states will treat these groups as terrorists and somehow surpress them.

Treat people who peacefully pass mass democratic votes to split the country as terrorists...?



sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

I mean... haven't you wondered why exactly we can't afford government healthcare?

Seriously... feel free to be number 1... get in all sorts of cyber wars and bullshit with China.

And we can have unniversal healthcare and spend less then we do now on government.

I'm not kidding when I say I would rather europe be number 1.

Is this some sort of reverse reverse psychology?


Nope.  Being number one in the world is in reality a real pain in the ass... and most people in the US would perfer to NOT be the number 1 country in the wolrd... but only hang on because the big competitor is the undemocratic Chinese.

We've long passed the age of stuff like the British Empire where being number 1 particularly benefited you in anyway.  If anything it just makes you a target now a days and you have to always be ahead and donate the most to other countries, you have to keep your tarfiffs and shit down... (i mean look at the levels of protectionism the EU gets away with vs the US.  We can't even consider a VAT of a couple percent without other nations getting pissy.)

You know who has it right?  Canada.  They just get to sit back, not be involved in practically anything, yet reap the benefits of western dominance.  Or like, Lictehnstein.  They don't even have an army I don't think.

I wouldn't mind living in Canada.  Except for all the snow.



I mean.... put it this way.

Name one thing the US has recently used it's "#1 status" to do, to tip things vastly in their favor that doesn't benefit europe almost as much to where it is orth it to spend tons of money to get slightly more benefit.



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Kasz216 said:

I mean.... put it this way.

Name one thing the US has recently used it's "#1 status" to do, to tip things vastly in their favor that doesn't benefit europe almost as much to where it is orth it to spend tons of money to get slightly more benefit.

If we were more amoral, it could have more benefits. Imperialism has diminishing returns when you're not willing to just pillage the lands you conquer, but of course that would lend more credence to guys like Chavez who think we're doing that anyway (which we are, but on a level that is nowhere near comparable to previous Empires)



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Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Mr Khan said:

The problem is that the trend is in the other direction. Unless political trends shift, in 30 years Belgium, Britain, and Spain will cease to exist. Though Europe economically centralizes, more peoples are demanding local sovereignty as time goes on, and we'll see independent Flanders, Scotland, Wales, Basque, and Catalonia soon enough. A more peaceful nationalism seems to be the trend of the world, and the large states' days are numbered

Now i disagree with this, as i'm also of the "World State" mind. The larger states we can build, the more we can even out economic and social inequalities, broaden our ability to enforce the law and freely interact with one another, but the reality is that the world is heading in the opposite direction

EDIT:
hell, i'll add that the PlayStation 4 is unlikely to release in any nation called Belgium. That one will collapse that quicklyl

That is just a sad prospect. Those crazy nationalists don't relize what a huge mistake they're making. Hopefully the current states will treat these groups as terrorists and somehow surpress them.

Treat people who peacefully pass mass democratic votes to split the country as terrorists...?

Aren't there speparatist terrorist groups in those regions, who are usign propaganda to divide the people and destroy the countries?



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Kasz216 said:

I mean.... put it this way.

Name one thing the US has recently used it's "#1 status" to do, to tip things vastly in their favor that doesn't benefit europe almost as much to where it is orth it to spend tons of money to get slightly more benefit.

What does it matter? The ideea is that Europe shouldn't have to depend on the US... for anything.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Kasz216 said:


Nope.  Being number one in the world is in reality a real pain in the ass... and most people in the US would perfer to NOT be the number 1 country in the wolrd... but only hang on because the big competitor is the undemocratic Chinese.

We've long passed the age of stuff like the British Empire where being number 1 particularly benefited you in anyway.  If anything it just makes you a target now a days and you have to always be ahead and donate the most to other countries, you have to keep your tarfiffs and shit down... (i mean look at the levels of protectionism the EU gets away with vs the US.  We can't even consider a VAT of a couple percent without other nations getting pissy.)

You know who has it right?  Canada.  They just get to sit back, not be involved in practically anything, yet reap the benefits of western dominance.  Or like, Lictehnstein.  They don't even have an army I don't think.

I wouldn't mind living in Canada.  Except for all the snow.

Why don't you move to Europe? (LOL) Though the really good states are also the ones up north. And you'd have to learn weird viking languages too.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Mr Khan said:

The problem is that the trend is in the other direction. Unless political trends shift, in 30 years Belgium, Britain, and Spain will cease to exist. Though Europe economically centralizes, more peoples are demanding local sovereignty as time goes on, and we'll see independent Flanders, Scotland, Wales, Basque, and Catalonia soon enough. A more peaceful nationalism seems to be the trend of the world, and the large states' days are numbered

Now i disagree with this, as i'm also of the "World State" mind. The larger states we can build, the more we can even out economic and social inequalities, broaden our ability to enforce the law and freely interact with one another, but the reality is that the world is heading in the opposite direction

EDIT:
hell, i'll add that the PlayStation 4 is unlikely to release in any nation called Belgium. That one will collapse that quicklyl

That is just a sad prospect. Those crazy nationalists don't relize what a huge mistake they're making. Hopefully the current states will treat these groups as terrorists and somehow surpress them.

Treat people who peacefully pass mass democratic votes to split the country as terrorists...?

Aren't there speparatist terrorist groups in those regions, who are usign propaganda to divide the people and destroy the countries?

The Basques did at one point. The Scottish got what they wanted in the short term (Britain federalized in 1999), and the IRA has officially disarmed, all that's left of them are their organized crime arms



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