the fact you are going after him makes me feel like my bad posts aren't as bad as I had feared :D

and as for keeping myself in check (can't speak for anyone else) I don't really swear much so it's not too hard to. I won't deny though that sometimes it would be much faster and more satisfying.

I thought it was better that we ignore him, because he was just going to get crucified for letting out info. In fact, looking on the last two pages, he was.

Later on though, after reading Linkz quote, I felt he was scum.

Also, I wasn't defending Linkz idea that "there are only ever one night kill". This is completely inaccurate. I was saying that lynching day 1 is to our advantage. Your argument against his was "what if there are two kills" (or whoever's idea it was).

The point is, it doesn't matter. This is the last time I'm going to explain this.

1 Kill conditions:

Say there are 3 mafia, and 10 townies= 13 total.
conditions: 1 kill per night, mislynch day 1
End N1: 11 remain ; End N2; 9 remain; End N3; 7 remain ; D4 is lylo (lynch correctly or lose)
conditions: 1 kill per night, no lynch day 1
End N1: 12 ; N2 ; 10 remain ; N3 8 remain ; D4 is lylo
(SAME RESULT)

Now, say Doc successfully protects once during the game
conditions: 1 kill per night, mislynch day 1, doc protects N1, 2, or 3
End N1: 12 ; End N2: 10 ; End N3: 8 ; No lynch day 4 ; End N4: 7 ; Day 5 is lylo
conditions: 1 kill per night, no lynch day 1, doc protects
same as above, day 5 is lylo

2 kill conditions:

Both kills mafia

conditions: 2 kills per night, mislynch day 1
End N1: 10 remain ; End N2: 7 remain ; day 3 is lylo
conditions: 2 kills per night, no lynch day 1
End N1: 11 remain ; End N2: 8 remain ; day 3 is lylo

under second condition, only way to get to day 4 is to either no lynch for all three days, or have doc success once along with 2 no lynches

Kills from separate parties

doesn't matter. Game can continue on and on while two killing parties exist

So, again, I was saying that Linkz is right about the lynch. An odd number of players means that whoever makes the first move, gets the most chances.

Maybe you already understand this and we are arguing over a miscommunication. I never said there would only be one kill. In fact, I believe there is a missing kill (but really only because I can't believe that poison would be the mafia "go-to" kill for night 1. It's just dumb.

first off at bolded you're mean laughing at a dying man :(

1. I believe it possible enough to give you the time that I probably don't have.

2. I've seen some of your suspcions you should try pressing them further.

3. I'm currently in agreement that he's not a great choice today. However I stil say the hobo claim is an easy one for scum to hide behind.

4. I'll continue doing what I'm doing minus my vote. Although my biggest concern now is my theory. I'm thinking of a way to word it that would be sure to help the town more than hurt it.

1. sorry I want you to explain this one further. Do you mean cruxified by us or Hat?

2. If you then think he's scum then why not push for more info? or vote?

3. iirc baal was the one agaist the day one lynch. He was then the one who asked linkz what his thoughts were now that we know there are more than one faction able to kill. You then went to defend linkz when it's already clear (from flavor) that there is more than one faction that can kill. So maybe even an SK that he was very much against.

Yes your numbers are good for two factions with more though it's much hader. However I was up for a lynch day one myself I don't think just having the town at an odd number is a good rule for all ocasion.

4. this wasn't the issue. It was him being so sure there would only be one kill. or at least thats what I recall of it. I'll have to go back to the original argument.

5. My issue isn't about the town lynching day 1. It's about your defence of linkz. I'll have to go back and look at it further though.

1 by you (everyone) and then by hat.

2 I did vote, didn't I? Pretty sure I did while quoting Linkz' quote.

3 I'll have to look back at that. I post a lot from work, and the network is stolen, resulting in very very slow loading...even half an hour for a page at times. Sometimes I respond to things way after they've been cleared up because of that. I'll check back and see, but when I think back on it, I was simply trying to say that we should've lynched day 1 since it turned out that there was only one kill. Maybe it didn't come off that way.

4 I did notice that as well, but I've been trying to be on Linkz good side by not questioning him. I didn't like that he refuted my "there may be a missing mafia kill" either. I've been getting bad vibes from Linkz, but recently I don't feel that way. Previously, I was trying to pretend that he was under my radar, but now he actually is.

5 I see. I didn't realize that. I thought you were refuting Linkz by saying there might be two kills and thus a bad idea to lynch. I may have misinterpreted the whole thing.

Also, at the time, I sincerely believed that Baal was a vig, and killed last night.

That might have something to do with my misinterpetation.

Sorry guys, got dragged away by a fire call right in the midst of going back through the thread to comment on things and simultaneously replying to recent happenings in the thread. I was a bit hasty, so if anything needs further explaining just ask away.

I'm caught up again, and though I want to comment on things, I feel much more comfortable with the current thoughts being voiced. I am glad Wonk has come around on me, because he's going to feel good about getting that right. Prof, missing kill or not, the only influence I have is over lynches. I've gone back and forth about you in my head, but in the end you're simply too active for me to consider you this early on. Even if that weren't the case my influence only extends to those that are willing to listen.(or scum if you're town) Anyway, I'm feeling pretty good now so I'm going to get some sleep and hopefully some thoughts on who should be lynched will work themselves out while I'm snoozing.

the site is having issue loading so I'll be trying again latter but a few things

I don't see any vote by you

your misinterpeting a bit much this game

and what are your thoughts on etting more info out of baal?

You are factually incorrect when you say Lynch and No Lynch first days both end in lylo under the same conditions (described above).  I snipped the other scenarios since the misunderstanding is the same in all of them. 

"N3 8 remain ; D4 is lylo" In fact, if there were 5 townies and 3 mafia, the town could No Lynch:  N4 would not end the game and D5 would occur.  This situation is known as mylo, where only a mislynch will end the game in scum's favor.  This is different from lylo because in lylo a (correct) lynch must occur to avoid town loss. 

If the town still has roles that can do interesting things at night when it gets down to mylo, it can be argued that adding the extra time on the clock was worth giving up the first day lynch.  However, my point was simply to correct that false assertion. 

Back and read through about 130 posts, woo :/ Most of the mud flinging seems to be ocurring in the ABC direction. My thoughts on it? I am still suspicious of it, the prof's intereference is somewhat interesting as well, although no ones aligment is set in stone at the present, I think I'll note this down encase one of them do flip scum.

In terms of kills I am not so sure about mafia being the poisoners, seems a bit of a weak kill isn't it? Although I know that the poisoner is usually mafia, I am still kind of doubting that mafia can only kill that way - seems a bit nerfed. What'll be interesting, if there is a poisoner isn't there usually a poison doctor as well, to well, cure the poison? I have no clue in regards to the FMA lore so can't really comment on the possibilities of certain characters being responsible for different colour murders.