I know it's hard to follow, but Stefl was originally quoting my unvote post of prof. I get the feeling that you're sort of defending me, but also subtley trying to place suspicion on me.

I'm not going to give as many reasons for my vote on ABC as I could. If I do then there wouldn't be anything left for others to justify a vote besides parroting me. I also want to leave some of them out to see if anyone else picks up on them independently. Since I plan on pushing for his lynch, I will resort to pointing them out to convince others if need be.

First this post does a great job of explaining why I've gone from noticing scum tells but having a town gut feeling to ignoring the feeling and voting.

Here is one of the scum tells I was refering to. ABC feels the need to defend himself against a baseless vote. That's an overreaction to something that would most likely prove inconsequential as far as surviving the day. Combine that with the above, and it's extremely odd that he didn't respond/try to defend himself against the threat of a vote and a push for his lynch. I am reminded of the round where we were scummates and he was more than content to let votes pile on him with seemingly no care.

What gives you reason to think roles won't be revealed upon death? We are allowed to roleclaim, however, it has a penalty. This would indicate roles will be revealed so everyone can analyze if the player was actually trying to indicate something without claiming.

Every good host should make themed games such that a nameclaim doesn't confirm a player as town or scum. It doesn't matter whether it is through use of safelists, randomizing characters per faction, or other means.

1. that's very doubtful. Just because someone *implies* that they have a role doesn't make it so. Remember, mafia is a game about deception. There have been more than a few times where I have acted in a way to draw attention, and others do it too.

2. That's debateable. THe vanilla games we've been playing still had cops and docs, and they are the most influential roles, and completely luck based. (in a way) Keep in mind that roles such as watcher, tracker, etc don't ever see the whole picture.

3. Or maybe you'll get scanned? Or maybe protected like when hat bodyguarded you. I don't see why you're so "worried" about getting taken out.. If anything, the only thing you should be afraid of, as town, is a mafia kill, and that's in every game, not just powered up ones. And yes, I am implying that you're not town. I don't like your answers at all (specifically the last one, though). The first two show very superficial thought processes, almost like you came up with them on the fly.

unvote

vote: wonk

or make everyone a bad guy?.... ok i'll leave :p

Cult games fall into the "other means" since alignment can change. No name claim last round was the biggest contributor to someone's lynch.

Umh I don't think any of y'all are at risk of a vig kill tonight, but the risk is there (no this is not a softclaim).

I recall someone saying that a Vig is just as risky as a SK for the town (i don't recall exactly, but it might have been Hat (not hat))....and it's very true, why should they believe a town vote that includes mafia rather than their own gutt?(that's why I put my vig in the massons last round, to increase its chances at efficiency).

I see this as a viable balance alternative to the SK, especially since one cannot roleclaim to be protected based on it. Also considering the size of the game, finetunning with soft roles can be a smart way to balance the game... and we know Hat is cunning.

I forgot a "currently" somewhere up there, oh well ^^

I voted at the time what I thought was the best opinion, with no one standing out in particular at that time and nothing but a few speculations of few people to go on, without any concrete evidence I voted no lynch due to the fact that last game, similar instance occured where people bandwagoned the town roleblocker and that was the first day lynch, although last game was pretty unbalanced in town's favour, lynching the roleblocker has caused us even more grief. So it's not more of an analysis but more of extra cautiousness in regards to the first day lynching.

I'm afraid I don't follow you at all here and I sure hope that's not the extent of your defense against the accusations made against you (which I agree with btw like I mentionned in this post : http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4013185).

Vote: A Bad Clown

I hope it'll give you motivation to come up with a better defense.