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Hephaestos said:
Stefl1504 said:
A Bad Clown said:

If vetteman targeted me I think it would have gone through, the wiki says

"Certain roles may not target the hobo due to his lack of a house."

I'd think those would be scanning/tracking roles, anyone get the message from vetteman?


The one who got the message does not have to be still alive... well... I would really like to hear ToSs roleclaim tough...

so either prof, wonk or trash got the message? why didn't they say so? especially wonk and prof... so basically you're assuming vette tried the charm card and wanted to buddy up to trash....well I guess with the new avatar it is likely ^^

I also just don't think Vetteman would have sent me message, he usually doesn't even talk or argue with me during most of the mafia threads. Did vetteman look like he was buddying up before he died?



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Hephaestos said:

in short.

1) yeah FF is SK and visited prof.... BUT!.... deducing he was the SK is straightforward, of the 2 persons thinking ball was claiming psych, i was the only one to tell him I was not his target. Then deducing he visited proff... well duh!

2) Now regarding Link's claim.... ABC doesn't know who visited him, no one came forward.... bu who did vetteman visit? Does the hobo role also make the neighboor visit fail? No one came forward with the info of Vetteman's visit, why? Only logical conclusion is that he visited ABC and since he's a Hobo, didn't find him to deliver his message.

3) Put A and B together, you have a nicely crafted watcher/tracker claim with 2 night's worth of information that was just barely on our finger tips already. A gamble with weighted risk.

4) Also linkz says coping him is not necessary, coping notstan instead will do the trick... yes the usual scum trick, send one of your mates to the gullag and then go to victory. (wasn't there the mention of a godfather with the presence fo a miller?)

in any case, Linkz is not top of my list.

1) Only 2 people spoke up about thinking Baal being pyschiatrist. It will later be revealed I had the same thoughts, before I mentioned them day three, and I would wager that prof was only acting dumb about it. TOS also claimed today he thought Baal meant psych. Remember the first post of the day that you thought was a scum tell. That was actually a subtle claim that I knew without a doubt who killed him and was also a secret message.

Baal not being poisoned paints a giant question mark over his head, though like I said earlier I'm willing to go one more night and he WILL claim tomorrow. He's the reason I bring up the possibility of a godfather, especially given the other investigative roles.

2) Do you really think Vette would deliver a message of his towniness to ABC? It's also possible that Vette chose not to deliver a message, or that the message went to scum and they didn't want to claim it.
Once again(or rather prior to the other one) I was trying to send a secret message with my first post of the day, although it was misinterpreted as I never accounted for the possibility of an untargetable type role.(Nor a roleblock as I originally though hat was taunting me with since I got no message at all) Seriously, read the begining of day two again and tell me I faked that.

3) What's the reward though? Fakeclaiming Watcher as scum at the risk of a real Watcher existing would get me lynched very quickly. And if I'm scum I'm not going to die at night after FF dies, so starting night 4 I'd be expected to have information again. You can say the cursed claim counters that, but it's only 50% and with nobody else claiming to be cursed that would be a huge waste at countering town powers.

4) I'm saying that because I am able to see merge the information that the cop knows with the information I know. If you like, I'll give myself a big mouth and out him. I have no idea what alignment NotStan(though to be clear I believe he should be burned now and not scanned) is, but I do know several targets that it'd be a waste on. Futhermore, I suggested the cop should scan Stefl now, who would ideally target me. The cop can confirm Stefl who will be able to confirm quite a bit, and if the three of us are all still alive I'll even explain a portion of his results.



Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:
hatmoza said:

Edit: geesh. I should at least get up and wash my face after waking up before posting.

Wrong thread XD

Silly mod, that's twice you've posted in the wrong thread! Wait, what? :)


Where is the other time?

(since it's the 3rd time I quote you on this specific sentence with no answer, I'm about to see only one conclusion: the scum quicktopic)

with you doing the ToS austriche technique when called into suspicion whilst scum.

Oh Heph... I ignored you twice for a reason. It's clear that I knew EXACTLY what I was saying. See the big picture more instead of focusing on a tiny detail.

Final-Fan said:

Heph, you talk too much.  

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4027583



TruckOSaurus said:

I wanted to wait until I got a real accusation against me but I guess it won't be that huge of a loss. I'm a Forensic Cop, I can get the role and alignment of hidden dead players.

Yeah. You do not exist with A Bad Clown's role. One of you is lying. I do realize you voted him early after his claim. The problem is you should've kept the vote there and been more adamant about him being scum. You barely said anything at all about him all day today as well.

Well done guys, we got one. Even if we didn't use any evidence.



Linkzmax said:
Hephaestos said:

in short.

1) yeah FF is SK and visited prof.... BUT!.... deducing he was the SK is straightforward, of the 2 persons thinking ball was claiming psych, i was the only one to tell him I was not his target. Then deducing he visited proff... well duh!

2) Now regarding Link's claim.... ABC doesn't know who visited him, no one came forward.... bu who did vetteman visit? Does the hobo role also make the neighboor visit fail? No one came forward with the info of Vetteman's visit, why? Only logical conclusion is that he visited ABC and since he's a Hobo, didn't find him to deliver his message.

3) Put A and B together, you have a nicely crafted watcher/tracker claim with 2 night's worth of information that was just barely on our finger tips already. A gamble with weighted risk.

4) Also linkz says coping him is not necessary, coping notstan instead will do the trick... yes the usual scum trick, send one of your mates to the gullag and then go to victory. (wasn't there the mention of a godfather with the presence fo a miller?)

in any case, Linkz is not top of my list.

1) Only 2 people spoke up about thinking Baal being pyschiatrist. It will later be revealed I had the same thoughts, before I mentioned them day three, and I would wager that prof was only acting dumb about it. TOS also claimed today he thought Baal meant psych. Remember the first post of the day that you thought was a scum tell. That was actually a subtle claim that I knew without a doubt who killed him and was also a secret message.

Baal not being poisoned paints a giant question mark over his head, though like I said earlier I'm willing to go one more night and he WILL claim tomorrow. He's the reason I bring up the possibility of a godfather, especially given the other investigative roles.

2) Do you really think Vette would deliver a message of his towniness to ABC? It's also possible that Vette chose not to deliver a message, or that the message went to scum and they didn't want to claim it.
Once again(or rather prior to the other one) I was trying to send a secret message with my first post of the day, although it was misinterpreted as I never accounted for the possibility of an untargetable type role.(Nor a roleblock as I originally though hat was taunting me with since I got no message at all) Seriously, read the begining of day two again and tell me I faked that.

3) What's the reward though? Fakeclaiming Watcher as scum at the risk of a real Watcher existing would get me lynched very quickly. And if I'm scum I'm not going to die at night after FF dies, so starting night 4 I'd be expected to have information again. You can say the cursed claim counters that, but it's only 50% and with nobody else claiming to be cursed that would be a huge waste at countering town powers.

4) I'm saying that because I am able to see merge the information that the cop knows with the information I know. If you like, I'll give myself a big mouth and out him. I have no idea what alignment NotStan(though to be clear I believe he should be burned now and not scanned) is, but I do know several targets that it'd be a waste on. Futhermore, I suggested the cop should scan Stefl now, who would ideally target me. The cop can confirm Stefl who will be able to confirm quite a bit, and if the three of us are all still alive I'll even explain a portion of his results.

i like keeping options alive, but as i said you're not top of my list.

and i don't understand your #4, and i clearly don't see what role you think stefl has ^^, i thought of one but not that.



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NotStan said:

^You just did above.

 

I'll give him a benefit of the doubt for now and push for the Leather lynch.

Also,

Vote: Timelimit


I was ninjad°.°



While looking for vetteman's posts, I stumbled on these

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4014946   (prof sucking up to linkz?)

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4016567   (Prof defends against Linkz being scum?)

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4016687 (He spent all day one trying to get a lynch but switched when I told him my role day 2?)

 

I remember that Linkz told me in the mafia quicktopic in round 25 he wouldn't respond to me often and would try to distance himself, but could prof possibly be slipping up and trying to talk to him?



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19:45:01 Skeezer i meant
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Linkzmax said:
Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:
hatmoza said:

Edit: geesh. I should at least get up and wash my face after waking up before posting.

Wrong thread XD

Silly mod, that's twice you've posted in the wrong thread! Wait, what? :)


Where is the other time?

(since it's the 3rd time I quote you on this specific sentence with no answer, I'm about to see only one conclusion: the scum quicktopic)

with you doing the ToS austriche technique when called into suspicion whilst scum.

Oh Heph... I ignored you twice for a reason. It's clear that I knew EXACTLY what I was saying. See the big picture more instead of focusing on a tiny detail.

Final-Fan said:

Heph, you talk too much.  

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4027583

now why would you ignore this? i'm missing a connextion that seems obvious to you ^^ but the answer is sufficient.



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Hephaestos said:

TruckOSaurus said:

I wanted to wait until I got a real accusation against me but I guess it won't be that huge of a loss. I'm a Forensic Cop, I can get the role and alignment of hidden dead players

Although the role does make sense with a janitor, it also is pretty damn convenient that it is now the same as vanilla.

Why did you not request wonk to fully claim when you knew there was a janitor?

FC does counter janitor, but far too well. It would make a scum power, which is meant to help keep town in the dark and give scummates possible fakeclaims, mostly useless. Additionally, with mafia kills being poison, it's a role that doesn't even have a chance at using it's ability until the third night.



Hephaestos said:

now why would you ignore this? i'm missing a connextion that seems obvious to you ^^ but the answer is sufficient.

I ignored it, because I wanted to be tonight's kill target and didn't want to draw attention elsewhere.