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is the MMO gold Worth real Money??

is it something you can pay for but you can generate though playing longer though the game much like Zynga games. 

And that there is some type of cheat to get more which is sold onto people below Blizzards rates for money then is used to fund terriorists in the middle east. Can someone clarify this?



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mchaza said:

is the MMO gold Worth real Money??

is it something you can pay for but you can generate though playing longer though the game much like Zynga games. 

And that there is some type of cheat to get more which is sold onto people below Blizzards rates for money then is used to fund terriorists in the middle east. Can someone clarify this?


it is as long as people pay real money for it.

http://www.google.com/search?q=buy wow gold&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a



ssj12 said:
thranx said:

"So the only general conclusion they are doing this is because MMO gold is becoming more valued than the US dollar and people are trading it as if it is real currency, which they are"

 

I dont think that is the problem. It may be. I would think it more likely that the fear is terroist groups will farm gold in MMO's to sell for profit and fund terroism. Kind of the same argument for drugs. I could be wrong but that seems more plausible


but their main target is a Chinese gold farming website/company http://gameusd.com/ and translations for sales using eBay, PayPal, etc. 99% of all gold farming is in China and Korea. Both countries are cracking down on it. And I also doubt China would fund terrorism, they rely on us to much.

While yes this could just be about terrorism due to the Reynard Project. Even so, the fact the targeted college kids is pretty lame. They should be investigating the companies that do the gold mining. A college kid playing WoW probably couldn't give a damn where their money goes as long as they get their gold. Seizing everything the two students had, including credit cards, was way to extreme.

The main reason I am questioning this is that this happened after the announcement that DHS would take control of all security of civilian networks and the recent crackdown on non-official coinage. And the government has shown that they will use "terrorism" to do whatever the hell they want. What better excuse than terrorism to crackdown on possible threats to the US dollar and use it to take control of the internet in this country.

They may not realise they are. I am sure they use china for the "slave" labor like every one else.



Kasz216 said:
ssj12 said:
thranx said:

"So the only general conclusion they are doing this is because MMO gold is becoming more valued than the US dollar and people are trading it as if it is real currency, which they are"

 

I dont think that is the problem. It may be. I would think it more likely that the fear is terroist groups will farm gold in MMO's to sell for profit and fund terroism. Kind of the same argument for drugs. I could be wrong but that seems more plausible


but their main target is a Chinese gold farming website/company http://gameusd.com/ and translations for sales using eBay, PayPal, etc. 99% of all gold farming is in China and Korea. Both countries are cracking down on it. And I also doubt China would fund terrorism, they rely on us to much.

While yes this could just be about terrorism due to the Reynard Project. Even so, the fact the targeted college kids is pretty lame. They should be investigating the companies that do the gold mining. A college kid playing WoW probably couldn't give a damn where their money goes as long as they get their gold. Seizing everything the two students had, including credit cards, was way to extreme.

The main reason I am questioning this is that this happened after the announcement that DHS would take control of all security of civilian networks and the recent crackdown on non-official coinage. And the government has shown that they will use "terrorism" to do whatever the hell they want. What better excuse than terrorism to crackdown on possible threats to the US dollar and use it to take control of the internet in this country.

Is this the same China that hacks into our databases at will to steal technology and dares anyone to try and call them on it?

If you want to fuel your conspiracy though.  They're also cracking down on Internet Gambling. 

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2011/0416/Crackdown-on-Full-Tilt-Poker-clouds-future-of-online-gambling

oh I know, but I guess those sites, but not pokerstars.net and several others?, broke laws? Which truly I thought most of those poker sites held their servers in other countries making them void for having the US seize them. Broken laws were illegal online gambling and money laundering. I highly disagree as the internet should not be controlled by the government, but its the USA flexing its muscles again with taking websites they do not like adding to the list.



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so you mean I should have sold my gold instead of sending it to a friend when I dropped my wow account?

 

(anywho, the comment at the end of the op is completely false, it's not due to alternate currencies that this is seen as terrorism, but because the resale of MMO gold is an easy to set up lucrative business that happens to be likely used by terrorists for funding.



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mchaza said:

is the MMO gold Worth real Money??

is it something you can pay for but you can generate though playing longer though the game much like Zynga games. 

And that there is some type of cheat to get more which is sold onto people below Blizzards rates for money then is used to fund terriorists in the middle east. Can someone clarify this?

No it isn't like the Zynga games.  Gold is just the normal currency in wow.  Used for the Auction House, buying supplies, mounts, repairing your armor, etc.  Some things cost huge amounts of gold.  If you wanted to buy every single mount in the game you would probably be spending over 100k gold.  Much more than your average player is going to have.

Blizzard doesn't sell gold.  Their main effect on the economy is putting in large fixed costs to drain gold out of the economy.  This helps to keep inflation down, and make normal goods on the auction house affordable to your average player.

There is no cheat to get gold.  However many of these gold sellers will use keyloggers to take over a player's account and steal all of their items and gold.  Often times they will then use these stolen characters to then mine/herb/skin/etc to get more goods to sell.

Blizzard's motivation to stop them is two folded.  First of all, customers getting their accounts stolen isn't good for business (unless you want to count the authenticator they sell).  This is why they disabled links on their forums, remind players that Blizzard will never ask for your password, and sell the aforementioned authenticators.  Second of all, some players buying gold can hurt the game for others.  Many of the casual players might not spend enough time playing to afford the inflated prices on the auction house.

Yes currency in MMOs is worth real money (everything is really, you are paying for the time saved essentially).  It is just a value proposition.  Is it worth it to spend $10 to get the amount of gold you would earn in 5 hours of play (note I am not sure of the price of gold).  Eve is a game where you actually can buy currency in a way.  They allow you to purchase game time, and sell it from within the game.  Thus you are exchanging real money for a virtual good that you can sell for virtual money.  It is also interesting in that you can theoretically keep playing without paying real money if you have enough virtual money.

As for the terrorist accusation, I have no clue.



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theprof00 said:

Tinfoil hats.

Tinfoil hats, here.

Two hats for a platinum piece

do you accept farmed gold?



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

Porcupine_I said:
theprof00 said:

Tinfoil hats.

Tinfoil hats, here.

Two hats for a platinum piece

do you accept farmed gold?

Sure. Farmed gold is a natural part of the world economy. You buy gold, then use that gold to buy my hats. It's going to completely shatter the world economy, but hey, if the government doesn't like it, they should do something about it.

I'm not really concerned because I already graduated college.