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kowenicki said:
Reasonable said:
binary solo said:

Interesting. I wouldn't have thought there was much of an advantage in this game having a short period of exclusivity. Still I suppose if 5 people buy a 360 for this over PS3 because it's out on 360 first it's 5 extra 360 (and Kinect) sales for MS and 5 less PS3 (and Move) sales for Sony.


I reckon the value of timed must be zero here.  I'm surprised that MS would pay for it as hinted in the comment unless they meant something else.

I don't see this selling systems which means owners will go with the platform they already have whatever the launch date.  I suppose it might sway some multi-console owners but in my experience most multi-console owners already have a preference for one reason or another and again a short delay won't change that.

Given the relatively late notification of Move I wonder if the delay is simply that 360/Kinect will be ready 4 to 6 weeks ahead of PS3/Move version.  Although the comment does mention a financial reason.

If MS thinks this is how to hang on to US lead I think they've lost the plot a bit.  I can understand them paying to get 30 days CoD map packs first - not that I condone it, I don't - but this seems pointless if it is a bought timed period.


people are jumping to conclusions...  as usual.

what conclusion is he jumping to?



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kowenicki said:
Reasonable said:
binary solo said:

Interesting. I wouldn't have thought there was much of an advantage in this game having a short period of exclusivity. Still I suppose if 5 people buy a 360 for this over PS3 because it's out on 360 first it's 5 extra 360 (and Kinect) sales for MS and 5 less PS3 (and Move) sales for Sony.


I reckon the value of timed must be zero here.  I'm surprised that MS would pay for it as hinted in the comment unless they meant something else.

I don't see this selling systems which means owners will go with the platform they already have whatever the launch date.  I suppose it might sway some multi-console owners but in my experience most multi-console owners already have a preference for one reason or another and again a short delay won't change that.

Given the relatively late notification of Move I wonder if the delay is simply that 360/Kinect will be ready 4 to 6 weeks ahead of PS3/Move version.  Although the comment does mention a financial reason.

If MS thinks this is how to hang on to US lead I think they've lost the plot a bit.  I can understand them paying to get 30 days CoD map packs first - not that I condone it, I don't - but this seems pointless if it is a bought timed period.


people are jumping to conclusions...  as usual.

No jumping to conclusions that I can see.  I'm saying I don't see it but noting the OP indicates UBI said the reason for the delay was financial not technical, implying some form of arrangement.  I was pretty clear that I say it as a pretty big IF.

My personal view, as noted, is that it seems Move was added to the mix (and perhaps 3D) much later than their decision to support Kinect, hence I actually would have assumed it was a technical delay if the quote didn't seem to mention otherwise.

TBH I still struggle to believe MS would pay for 4 to 6 weeks timed for this title.  It just doesn't make sense, I honestly can't see any value in it.  Of course, the comments from UBI could be out of context or referring to something else such as additional financial investment on their side - or even from Sony - to cover getting Move/3D in place.



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kowenicki said:
Porcupine_I said:
kowenicki said:


people are jumping to conclusions...  as usual.

what conclusion is he jumping to?

not just him, a few here.... that ms paid for a delayed release of 4 to 6 weeks... frankly I think thats unlikely.


I would say that sentence you underlined actually suggests he believes it's unlikely it was bought, not the other way around. Either way, you're right, this wasn't purchased. This is obviously a delay to integrate Move when the decision to add it wasn't made till late in development.

Now I have the first real reason to consider getting Move... I'm still not sold on it or Kinect though. Neither have support for any games I care about, aside from minor LBP2 support for Move, and now Child of Eden for both.



kowenicki said:
naznatips said:
kowenicki said:
Porcupine_I said:
kowenicki said:


people are jumping to conclusions...  as usual.

what conclusion is he jumping to?

not just him, a few here.... that ms paid for a delayed release of 4 to 6 weeks... frankly I think thats unlikely.


I would say that sentence you underlined actually suggests he believes it's unlikely it was bought, not the other way around. Either way, you're right, this wasn't purchased. This is obviously a delay to integrate Move when the decision to add it wasn't made till late in development.

Now I have the first real reason to consider getting Move... I'm still not sold on it or Kinect though. Neither have support for any games I care about, aside from minor LBP2 support for Move, and now Child of Eden for both.


Yeah I quoted the wrong poster really.... but its invitable here that whenever cash is mentioned with MS in the same story its moneyhatting, with sony its wise investment/shrewd business.... its actually just business whoever it is.

Anyway, I think you may see many more reasons to pick up Kinect by the end of the year.   

Ah okay - I wondered if that was the case.  I was really doubting it at length, so to speak, which might have given the impression I was giving it weight which wasn't my intention.

Despite the quotes this smells of a technical delay to finish the Move/3D stuff.  All the coverage I've seen indicates to me that Kinect was in the mix from almost the get go but Move/3D was decided much later.



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AussieGecko said:

@ethomaz

Kinect wasnt announced I dont think but a few months ago move support was certainly announced. People like me were clearly wrong when we said it wouldnt be. None the less, 3D as it stands still might be new.

 


Hey! I Remember you saying that it wasn't confirmed! It was pretty much advertised everywhere but without the official word from Ubi which is what people were waiting for




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mibuokami said:
AussieGecko said:

@ethomaz

Kinect wasnt announced I dont think but a few months ago move support was certainly announced. People like me were clearly wrong when we said it wouldnt be. None the less, 3D as it stands still might be new.

 


Hey! I Remember you saying that it wasn't confirmed! It was pretty much advertised everywhere but without the official word from Ubi which is what people were waiting for


Hey I admitted my mistake lol, hell i will say it again, I was wrong :p



 

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AussieGecko said:
mibuokami said:
AussieGecko said:

@ethomaz

Kinect wasnt announced I dont think but a few months ago move support was certainly announced. People like me were clearly wrong when we said it wouldnt be. None the less, 3D as it stands still might be new.

 


Hey! I Remember you saying that it wasn't confirmed! It was pretty much advertised everywhere but without the official word from Ubi which is what people were waiting for


Hey I admitted my mistake lol, hell i will say it again, I was wrong :p

My feeling was hurt. I demand chocolate and champaign and a bed of roses.

Hmmm still can't decide if this would be better on Move / Kinect. I am not a fan of 3D as it gives me headaches so I couldn't give a flying f- about that! I guess I'll wait for the review.




Reasonable said:

TBH I still struggle to believe MS would pay for 4 to 6 weeks timed for this title.  It just doesn't make sense, I honestly can't see any value in it.  Of course, the comments from UBI could be out of context or referring to something else such as additional financial investment on their side - or even from Sony - to cover getting Move/3D in place.

I think a 4-6 weeks delay makes perfect sense for Microsoft. Not because of sales though!

Thing is: Child of Eden is currently the most anticipated Kinect title. The first Kinect game that's not strictly casual, but attracts core gamers as well.

The problem is: There will be a PS Move version as well, and although hardly anyone talks about that version, it will actually be superior. Remember that this is not a title developed for Kinect from the ground up - it was invented to be played with a controller; Kinect support was added later and in fact it uses Kinect pretty much only as a 2D pointer. PS Move can do this too, and is in fact much better at it. I'm not trashtalking Kinect, it's simply not a title where Kinect can shine. Futhermore, the PS3 version has 3D.

So Microsoft probably realized that this could make Kinect appear in a bad light. Kinect is already in trouble - the Kinect hype lasted only 60 days, Kinect attach rates are very low and more and more people are complaining that there are just no good games for Kinect. With that in mind, imagine the 360 and PS3 version coming out at the same time, and every single review saying that the most anticipated Kinect title, the Kinect game people have been talking about since E3 2009, is actually much better on PS3 and PS Move...

In such a situation, what would you do if you were Microsoft? First of all, you'd try to give the game developers every possible support to improve the 360 version. This support will for example probably lead to the 360 graphics being slightly better. But since the PS3 version will still be considered superior by most reviewers, they did a simple trick: Simply avoid the competetion by giving the developers money for timed exclusivity! With the PS Move version coming out several weeks later, reviews of Child of Eden will not compare the Kinect version to the PS Move version, because by the time of the review that version isn't out.



kowenicki said:
Porcupine_I said:
kowenicki said:
Reasonable said:
binary solo said:

Interesting. I wouldn't have thought there was much of an advantage in this game having a short period of exclusivity. Still I suppose if 5 people buy a 360 for this over PS3 because it's out on 360 first it's 5 extra 360 (and Kinect) sales for MS and 5 less PS3 (and Move) sales for Sony.


I reckon the value of timed must be zero here.  I'm surprised that MS would pay for it as hinted in the comment unless they meant something else.

I don't see this selling systems which means owners will go with the platform they already have whatever the launch date.  I suppose it might sway some multi-console owners but in my experience most multi-console owners already have a preference for one reason or another and again a short delay won't change that.

Given the relatively late notification of Move I wonder if the delay is simply that 360/Kinect will be ready 4 to 6 weeks ahead of PS3/Move version.  Although the comment does mention a financial reason.

If MS thinks this is how to hang on to US lead I think they've lost the plot a bit.  I can understand them paying to get 30 days CoD map packs first - not that I condone it, I don't - but this seems pointless if it is a bought timed period.


people are jumping to conclusions...  as usual.

what conclusion is he jumping to?

not just him, a few here.... that ms paid for a delayed release of 4 to 6 weeks... frankly I think thats unlikely.

 


you are, as usual, jumping to the conclusion that they did not strike any sort of a deal that would cause the timed exclusivity of the 360 version.

here is the first commerical to be released for child of eden -- it is advertised as if it were exclusively a 360 game.  frankly, i think it is unlikely that MS doesn't have a contract with ubisoft in regards to this game of which a brief timed-exclusivity is a possible stipulation.



i thought it was going to be a kinect exclusive ??