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ssj12 said:
 


nope, your entirely right. Sadly people are blind and will think its a good thing PS3 owners get features removed.

Trophies, in-game menus, home, and the friends list can be removed now I guess. They are all over a year old now, so by Sony's logic they can expire and no one will care. I want them to test this theory.


Although I partly agree with what you're saying (removal of features sucks somewhat), don't you think it's unreasonable for a company to support and maintain something from purchase date to some unspecified date approaching infinity?



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Now Kevin Butler should definately do a cover version of "You can't touch this"



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

Porcupine_I said:

Now Kevin Butler should definately do a cover version of "You can't touch this"


Yes cause clearly the ps3 has not been hacked. People can no longer hack their ps3's. And piracy is no longer a problem for Sony. You can't touch that.



thranx said:
Porcupine_I said:

Now Kevin Butler should definately do a cover version of "You can't touch this"


Yes cause clearly the ps3 has not been hacked. People can no longer hack their ps3's. And piracy is no longer a problem for Sony. You can't touch that.

no, because it would be funny



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

Porcupine_I said:
thranx said:
Porcupine_I said:

Now Kevin Butler should definately do a cover version of "You can't touch this"


Yes cause clearly the ps3 has not been hacked. People can no longer hack their ps3's. And piracy is no longer a problem for Sony. You can't touch that.

no, because it would be funny

In that case carry on :)



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kowenicki said:
ethomaz said:
arcane_chaos said:

after reading the settlement:

Sony: Either follow these rules or WE WILL BURY YOU!!!!

Geohot: O-O-Okay....*checks pants*

/thread


why didnt they just bury him?  He had already committed the "crime"...  

If their case was watertight there is no way they would have compromised...  why would they?  for what?


Could very well be related to the bad press the case could generate on top of all the existing problems... Though noone except the ones related probably knows what really happened behind those courtroom doors.. :P



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Grimes said:
theprof00 said:
dsister said:

1. Geohot walked away without any problems m

2. Sony spent over a million dollars trying to prosecute him 

3. Sony lost a customer(who bought quite a few PS3s) 

yes, Sony definitely won 

According to the injunction, the injunction itself applies to every hacker that Geohotz has contact with.

I'm guessing that the subpeona for all those IPs, personal information, etc etc has something to do with the scope of that victory.


A private settlement can't make a ruling for anyone but the parties involved. Nor can they used any of collected data beyond the scope of what the courts allowed, which was only to establish location of alleged activity.

SO what does this mean then?

"ORDER
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED AND ADJUDGED by consent of the Parties that Hotz,
whether as an individual or as a principal, officer, director or employee of any business
entity, and his agents, servants, employees, distributors, suppliers, representatives and all
other persons or entities acting in concert or participation with Hotz who receive notice of
this Judgment
, shall be and hereby are permanently enjoined and restrained from:"

Stamped by the judge.



forest-spirit said:
Kasz216 said:
padib said:

 

@kasz  hey, do you have a link to the OtherOS case?


A few articles on it, that's it

http://groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110218181557455

http://groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110311112544990

http://groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110310172538157

 

Also one on the settlment

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110411173644425

From the first article:

"For example, when discussing the motion to strike, Sony spoke first, and here's the interchange with the judge:

MS. SACKS: Nothing that is alleged anywhere in the complaint says anything about the duration, the longevity of the time in which the other OS function or, for that matter, any particular aggregate of features of the PS3 would be available.

THE COURT: Why then are we making the assumption that it must terminate at a certain point?

They're saying it's an ongoing representation; that without any termination date that you will always have the OS function. You're saying, well, they are not saying one way or the other what the time period is.

Why do we assume that it terminates?

MS. SACKS: Well, Your Honor, a manufacturer's obligation for anything having to do with a product itself is only defined by its express warranty, its express promises.

If SCEA, Sony, had said, "We guarantee that the other OS function would be supported," if they said, "We guarantee PlayStation Network access will always be available," anything about the duration, plaintiffs might have an argument. The only thing that Sony told anyone about the duration of any feature of the PS3 is what it said in the one year express limited hardware warranty. It said "one year."

And as the Daughtery case, as the Bardin case, and as subsequent federal court authorities have noted, where something arises after the duration of that promised one year, the purchaser can have no expectation.

So, Your Honor, if the purchaser can have no expectation of the PlayStation 3 functioning at all after the expiration of that one-year warranty, how can it somehow have a greater expectation about the availability of one feature? If SCEA cannot have liability under California law for the PS3 completely failing to perform after one year, how can it have liability for the fact that it does 99 percent of what it was advertised to do, and just not one?"

 

Did I read this wrong or are they saying that after 1 year you can no longer expect any feature to be available? So after 1 year I actually have no right to expect my PS3 to play games? The hell?

What am I missing???

Nothing.  Well, except you'd hope that the court wouldn't be stupid enough to buy that arguement when it  comes to playing games.

Hence, why the court case was kinda a big deal.

I mean hey, stopping your PS3 from playing games certaintly would cut down on piracy.



Hotz sold them out. He had no right to infringe on the rights of people who freely took the information that he legally distributed.

Anon should hit him now too. Burn it all to the ground.



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Spankey said:
ssj12 said:
 


nope, your entirely right. Sadly people are blind and will think its a good thing PS3 owners get features removed.

Trophies, in-game menus, home, and the friends list can be removed now I guess. They are all over a year old now, so by Sony's logic they can expire and no one will care. I want them to test this theory.


Although I partly agree with what you're saying (removal of features sucks somewhat), don't you think it's unreasonable for a company to support and maintain something from purchase date to some unspecified date approaching infinity?

No?   They should support evereything, until they stop supporting everything related to the system, sees like common sense.