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sapphi_snake said:
vlad321 said:
sapphi_snake said:
vlad321 said:
sapphi_snake said:
vlad321 said:


Which is why I had "I can make a very strong point about the fallacies of capitalism" in my initial post to begin with. My problem is that people are idiots and give their money to something like entertainment, and their idiocy comes from the fact that they don't realize they benefit more from education. "Oh no, do some educatoin cuts and reduce my taxes, I wanna have the money to golf!" Complete and utter morons.

Yes, which is why states should interfere, and make sure people are getting educated. Democracies don't work if people aren't educated and not capable of critical thinking.

Reality is that people aren't educated and capable of critical thinking, which is why Democracy is a great idea that just doesn't work in reality. The reason it works is because it distances us the most from idiots in power.

Though to be fair the absolutely best government is a dictatorship with a good leader. Problem is that leaders are fucking idiots in reality, so that doesn't work either.

I'm confused. Does it work or not?

It's not a 0 or 1 answer. It works solely because we haven't found anything better, yet. But realistically no, it doesn't work as well for society as it should.

That's true, but it's hard to see what could be better.

Yeah.  Your original thought would be some sort of proportional voting based on intellegence but this has a few issues.

1) The first being, that inellegence doesn't actually correlate with good politics that well... or anything.  Intellegence actually seems to be more of a "requriement" then a straight up "power level."  (Freaknomics has a good chapter on this... or was it one of the Malcolm gladwell books...)

 

2) Even if you did have some sort of "Intellegence quota."  I mean, some people are just naturally smarter then others.   It's not really there fault... a lot of people even if they try can't get a lot of stuff.  


Really too, a world where the dumb are picked on instead of the smart would actually be worse.  I mean, smart people have the advantage of "One day i'll be your boss!"


If dumb people get picked on... what relief do they have?  One day i'll... be serving you at mcdonalds and spit in your food?



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thranx said:
dsister said:

The thing about actors is they bring in a lot of money through the box office, and subsequent DVD releases. It's only fair that they get a large check. It's either them or the studio...


or they could lower prices for everything so their fans can appreciate their work and have money in their pocket.

No offense, but a lot of teams sell out as it is.  Why should the team lower their price, if anything, supply and demand would say they should raise their price.



Money can't buy happiness. Just video games, which make me happy.

I honestly do think, despite always receiving an answer saying it isn't the case, that people are simply jealous of the people making this much money.  Who the fuck cares if somebody else doing a job you consider easy or worthless makes more money than you.  Fucking deal with it, life isn't always going to treat you perfectly as if you are just a little princess.



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Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:

That's true, but it's hard to see what could be better.

Yeah.  Your original thought would be some sort of proportional voting based on intellegence but this has a few issues.

1) The first being, that inellegence doesn't actually correlate with good politics that well... or anything.  Intellegence actually seems to be more of a "requriement" then a straight up "power level."  (Freaknomics has a good chapter on this... or was it one of the Malcolm gladwell books...)

 

2) Even if you did have some sort of "Intellegence quota."  I mean, some people are just naturally smarter then others.   It's not really there fault... a lot of people even if they try can't get a lot of stuff.  


Really too, a world where the dumb are picked on instead of the smart would actually be worse.  I mean, smart people have the advantage of "One day i'll be your boss!"


If dumb people get picked on... what relief do they have?  One day i'll... be serving you at mcdonalds and spit in your food?

We don't need to favor smart over dumb or any race. We just need to favor practical over impractical. There are plenty of dumb people who can be practical and are open to such ideas. There are also a lot of intelligent people who are impractical.

Now before you ask how we define what practicality is, just set is as the greatest reduction of misery for the greatest number of people.



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Kasz216 said:

Yeah.  Your original thought would be some sort of proportional voting based on intellegence but this has a few issues.

1) The first being, that inellegence doesn't actually correlate with good politics that well... or anything.  Intellegence actually seems to be more of a "requriement" then a straight up "power level."  (Freaknomics has a good chapter on this... or was it one of the Malcolm gladwell books...)

 

2) Even if you did have some sort of "Intellegence quota."  I mean, some people are just naturally smarter then others.   It's not really there fault... a lot of people even if they try can't get a lot of stuff.  


Really too, a world where the dumb are picked on instead of the smart would actually be worse.  I mean, smart people have the advantage of "One day i'll be your boss!"


If dumb people get picked on... what relief do they have?  One day i'll... be serving you at mcdonalds and spit in your food?

Well, I was talking more about education (as in having information and accquiring cvertain skills like critical thinking), not necessarily intelligence (though I suppose you may not be able to accquire such skills if you aren't intelligent). Still, being educated is important, else you'll be easily manipulated by politicians and their PR teams in a democracy.



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vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:

That's true, but it's hard to see what could be better.

Yeah.  Your original thought would be some sort of proportional voting based on intellegence but this has a few issues.

1) The first being, that inellegence doesn't actually correlate with good politics that well... or anything.  Intellegence actually seems to be more of a "requriement" then a straight up "power level."  (Freaknomics has a good chapter on this... or was it one of the Malcolm gladwell books...)

 

2) Even if you did have some sort of "Intellegence quota."  I mean, some people are just naturally smarter then others.   It's not really there fault... a lot of people even if they try can't get a lot of stuff.  


Really too, a world where the dumb are picked on instead of the smart would actually be worse.  I mean, smart people have the advantage of "One day i'll be your boss!"


If dumb people get picked on... what relief do they have?  One day i'll... be serving you at mcdonalds and spit in your food?

We don't need to favor smart over dumb or any race. We just need to favor practical over impractical. There are plenty of dumb people who can be practical and are open to such ideas. There are also a lot of intelligent people who are impractical.

Now before you ask how we define what practicality is, just set is as the greatest reduction of misery for the greatest number of people.


Practicality is a lot harder thing to judge In a lot of cases based on those terms.

Largely, because reducing the greatest amount of misery for the greatest number of people short term, leads to less reduction of misery long term.

For example, the US doesn't have universal healthcare, buuuuut because of this, private and public companies spend way more on medical research.  There is more money spent on medical research in the United States then every other country combined.  That's why there are so many medical advanaces coming out of the US.


Put in a government healthcare plan, and you reduce some misery short term but increase misery long term due to medical technology ending up backwords.  Furthermore you end up pushing the costs of it all on government, which governments have shown they can't handle constantly growing costs.

It's why tons of europeon reasearchers come to the US.  I'd guess US proffessors tend to make more then their europeon counterparts as well, based on similiar reasoning. (A lot of paid research is done through grants to universities.)

It also allows the arguement for things like proactive wars, since chances are probable things would be better long term for short term pain.

 

Or the most famous argument... foreign aid.  As it is, foreign aid to africa seems to do nothing but create more people to live horrible lives off foreign aid, mostly do too systemic problems with africa.



Kasz216 said:
vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:

That's true, but it's hard to see what could be better.

Yeah.  Your original thought would be some sort of proportional voting based on intellegence but this has a few issues.

1) The first being, that inellegence doesn't actually correlate with good politics that well... or anything.  Intellegence actually seems to be more of a "requriement" then a straight up "power level."  (Freaknomics has a good chapter on this... or was it one of the Malcolm gladwell books...)

 

2) Even if you did have some sort of "Intellegence quota."  I mean, some people are just naturally smarter then others.   It's not really there fault... a lot of people even if they try can't get a lot of stuff.  


Really too, a world where the dumb are picked on instead of the smart would actually be worse.  I mean, smart people have the advantage of "One day i'll be your boss!"


If dumb people get picked on... what relief do they have?  One day i'll... be serving you at mcdonalds and spit in your food?

We don't need to favor smart over dumb or any race. We just need to favor practical over impractical. There are plenty of dumb people who can be practical and are open to such ideas. There are also a lot of intelligent people who are impractical.

Now before you ask how we define what practicality is, just set is as the greatest reduction of misery for the greatest number of people.


Practicality is a lot harder thing to judge In a lot of cases based on those terms.

Largely, because reducing the greatest amount of misery for the greatest number of people short term, leads to less reduction of misery long term.

For example, the US doesn't have universal healthcare, buuuuut because of this, private and public companies spend way more on medical research.  There is more money spent on medical research in the United States then every other country combined.  That's why there are so many medical advanaces coming out of the US.


Put in a government healthcare plan, and you reduce some misery short term but increase misery long term due to medical technology ending up backwords.  Furthermore you end up pushing the costs of it all on government, which governments have shown they can't handle constantly growing costs.

It's why tons of europeon reasearchers come to the US.  I'd guess US proffessors tend to make more then their europeon counterparts as well, based on similiar reasoning. (A lot of paid research is done through grants to universities.)

It also allows the arguement for things like proactive wars, since chances are probable things would be better long term for short term pain.

 

Or the most famous argument... foreign aid.  As it is, foreign aid to africa seems to do nothing but create more people to live horrible lives off foreign aid, mostly do too systemic problems with africa


Your last argument is a lot more along the lines of "teach to fish, give fish," in which case it is more practical to fix the problems in Africa than to just give them aid. That would require a lot more work than people want to put into it (because lo and behold, there is no immidiate pay off to it and capitalism is broken like that).

Honestly by far the best economic system, and from it social, would be to just find a solution as close to the optimum as possible given game thoery. Considering that the way we work right now is the way Nash pointed out, which is literally the explanation of how capitalism works, we should learn from his work and notice the optimum is different than his equilibrium. Basically, when everyone acts in their best interest the result is that the equillibrium is almost never the optimum result. We just have to find a way to put down the optimum result and then enforce it. It would solve many many problems.



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Baalzamon said:

I honestly do think, despite always receiving an answer saying it isn't the case, that people are simply jealous of the people making this much money.  Who the fuck cares if somebody else doing a job you consider easy or worthless makes more money than you.  Fucking deal with it, life isn't always going to treat you perfectly as if you are just a little princess.

Pretty much everyone who isn't a communist or anarchist terrorist or other form of criminal is dealing with it to a degree. Complaining about it is just part of that :P



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vlad321 said:


Your last argument is a lot more along the lines of "teach to fish, give fish," in which case it is more practical to fix the problems in Africa than to just give them aid. That would require a lot more work than people want to put into it (because lo and behold, there is no immidiate pay off to it and capitalism is broken like that).

Honestly by far the best economic system, and from it social, would be to just find a solution as close to the optimum as possible given game thoery. Considering that the way we work right now is the way Nash pointed out, which is literally the explanation of how capitalism works, we should learn from his work and notice the optimum is different than his equilibrium. Basically, when everyone acts in their best interest the result is that the equillibrium is almost never the optimum result. We just have to find a way to put down the optimum result and then enforce it. It would solve many many problems.

Right, the problem being that optimum is what we endlessly debate in all the fields of philosophy or theology. Thus the only thing that could enforce the optimum at the end of the day is a dictatorship, and even then just their vision of optimum...



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Mr Khan said:
vlad321 said:
 


Your last argument is a lot more along the lines of "teach to fish, give fish," in which case it is more practical to fix the problems in Africa than to just give them aid. That would require a lot more work than people want to put into it (because lo and behold, there is no immidiate pay off to it and capitalism is broken like that).

Honestly by far the best economic system, and from it social, would be to just find a solution as close to the optimum as possible given game thoery. Considering that the way we work right now is the way Nash pointed out, which is literally the explanation of how capitalism works, we should learn from his work and notice the optimum is different than his equilibrium. Basically, when everyone acts in their best interest the result is that the equillibrium is almost never the optimum result. We just have to find a way to put down the optimum result and then enforce it. It would solve many many problems.

Right, the problem being that optimum is what we endlessly debate in all the fields of philosophy or theology. Thus the only thing that could enforce the optimum at the end of the day is a dictatorship, and even then just their vision of optimum...


Optimum economical distribution has absolutely nothing to do with philosophy or theology and is very much objective.



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