All valid points, not to mention the size of the current user-base.... sigh...

exactly, but somehow, for some unknown reason most devs dont see those facts...

So basically what it comes down to is the lesser selling consoles still have a few more years left in them, and are now experiencing a second wave of growth due to new peripherals etc. but the leading seller (by far, might I add) is already a saturated market?

I don't understand... is this industry about selling games or selling consoles??

because I'm pretty sure third parties don't make money from consoles... 

I'm no developer, but the only semi-decent argument I've heard on the development side was that the Wii doesn't have sufficient processing power and memory to take advantage of most of the new ideas offered by it's controller... This is something I can't argue with since I don't understand what it takes to make a game for the Wii, but the end-feeling is that if the Wii2 is indeed coming soon as many have speculated, then it feels like half a generation to me as a Nintendo owner...

Only in the last year or two have I started playing games that felt like an actual new experience compared to last gen...and only last year have I felt that Wii software was reaching a good level of quality from multiple publishers...

So I guess this industry is more about working on cool hardware than it is delivering compelling games.... so much for the 'games as art' debate... Anybody even remotely concerned with art knows full well that it takes mature tools and long-term experience with those tools to produce anything with artistic merit...

Art is about the creator expressing himself to the full extent of the medium, and not the other way around! -It is about the artist showing us his complete mastery of the medium through and through!

This is something that historically speaking, Japanese culture is more familiar with than western culture - just look at Japanese paintings as examples of creativity over a more limited medium... I guess western philosophy will always be about "bigger is better", "more expensive is better", "appearances over everything else", and so on...

Seriously, watching that latest Unreal tech benchmark from Epic just made me want to cry...

sorry, end rant

This generation is like 5 or 6 years deep...

If companies did not start making Wii games in 2008 when the Wii was blowin up like a propane tank, they never would. At this point in the Wii's lifetime, it will probably get a few 3DS/Wii multiplatform releases from 3rd parties. 

Also, it will get a the final hardcore games from Nintendo that either were not localized or merely backlogged from preparation of the 3DS launch. You can only succeed so many times before just accepting the fact that 3rd parties want nothing to do with ya :P

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I think developers don't want to. I just remembered today that in early 2007, when it was clear the Wii was going to be a hit and investors wanted support, third parties said it would take a year or so to make the games. In mid 2007, when Metroid Prime 3 was being released, several boards, sites, and some G4 shows, started the talk about how third party games didn't sell on the Wii.

The games were not even out yet, and they started saying the games weren't selling. So they were lying that we weren't buying games it wasn't even possible for us to buy. Holding back games, save for a few token games, just kept up the illusion.

Hey, western art followed that as well.

With game developers, they actually want to show off their "genius", and think that is what makes a great game, and they think if they can't show off, it's not worth it.

yes, I guess it was back then when all the third party games doesnt sell on the wii began, at launch nobody believed the wii could reach massive success, so the low support was "normal" by then, but then...? The wii was selling like crazy but the devs ignored that fact, resident 4 sold very well, metroid prime 3 sold a lot, zelda sold another bunch, but they didnt see those facts, they decided to wait/ignore the console. I think is probably too late for many of them, maybe Capcom could have something, but thats it... Now the question is, if nintendo reveals a wii2 with graphics and raw power ala ps3/360 or above, will third party support be as it is now with the HDtwins? 

 My bet, no...

So basically what it comes down to is the lesser selling consoles still have a few more years left in them, and are now experiencing a second wave of growth due to new peripherals etc. but the leading seller (by far, might I add) is already a saturated market?

Seriously, watching that latest Unreal tech benchmark from Epic just made me want to cry...

Of course not. Nintendo has had the more powerfull console betwen them and Sony before. They just use different excuses each Gen. Now they wonder why some people actually wont buy third party games, or in many cases very few on a Ninty console. They ruined their own potential cash cow by putting out half assed games and in a lot of cases none. A lot of the 3rd parties in red $ wise deserve it for their stupidity.

For some reason( it has been said) the 3DS was made with 3rd parties in mind. When you have the best selling console of a Gen and all you get from 3rd parties is shitty support there is zero reason to try to make them happy. They will simply find another excuse. Nintendo has done a lot over the years to gain good third party support and for the biggest part it has not happened.

For now on I am only buying certain titles from third parties , and maybe a few surprises that catch me off guard. They will not have much support from me no matter the console I buy whether that be 3DS, NGP,  or any current/future systems. A lot of them treated Wii owners like crap, so I say to bad to most of them let them stay red.