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rocketpig on 06 April 2011
Xen said:
rocketpig said:
Xen said:

You can do whatever you please with the hardware you get, but not the software that you get with it, which is LICENCED to you. The same holds true for Windows and MacOS (the former is a far freer environment though), but I don't see any bitching about that fact like I do here.

I don't mind Sony telling me what I can and can't do with my PS3 as long as my gaming experience remains unhindered. So far, only the hackers and CFW rats did anything to damage it.

Best do your research and then post, instead of being proven wrong and then shrugging it off with even more wrongs.

And this differs from the iPhone how, exactly?

The DMCA has been fucking over consumers for what, 12-14 years now? It's a good thing for us if it's de-fanged.

Unlike the iPhone, this compromises legit users.

In theory, yes, it does. But I doubt the courts are going to rule in Sony's favor on a hypothetical argument. At its core, the PS3 hack is no different than Jailbreaking. It's the unlocking of hardware purchased and owned by the consumer for use not intended by the original manufacturer. And yes, some of that use will probably be malicious.




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Xen on 06 April 2011
rocketpig said:
Xen said:
rocketpig said:
Xen said:

You can do whatever you please with the hardware you get, but not the software that you get with it, which is LICENCED to you. The same holds true for Windows and MacOS (the former is a far freer environment though), but I don't see any bitching about that fact like I do here.

I don't mind Sony telling me what I can and can't do with my PS3 as long as my gaming experience remains unhindered. So far, only the hackers and CFW rats did anything to damage it.

Best do your research and then post, instead of being proven wrong and then shrugging it off with even more wrongs.

And this differs from the iPhone how, exactly?

The DMCA has been fucking over consumers for what, 12-14 years now? It's a good thing for us if it's de-fanged.

Unlike the iPhone, this compromises legit users.

In theory, yes, it does. But I doubt the courts are going to rule in Sony's favor on a hypothetical argument. At its core, the PS3 hack is no different than Jailbreaking. It's the unlocking of hardware purchased and owned by the consumer for use not intended by the original manufacturer. And yes, some of that use will probably be malicious.

Most, if not all, of the use has been malicious so far. Here's hoping the courts do see that.



kitler53 on 06 April 2011
rocketpig said:
kitler53 said:
rocketpig said:

I can't believe people here hope that Sony actually wins this battle. I'm not condoning Anon's actions but Sony is clearly in the wrong as well. They're trying to fuck over their consumer base, for crying out loud. How can anyone get behind that?

Pretty much everyone involved here is being a total fuckwit. Anon for attacking innocent PSN users/Sony employees, Sony for being such cockgobblers and reaching FAR beyond what should be their scope of legal action (if there is a right to legal action here at all), and that assclown judge for letting it all go down.


i like my walled garden of a gaming device, so much so in fact that am willing to pay the premium price that goes along with console gaming compared to PC gaming just to have the hackers and modders out of my gaming experience.

if i want to live in a gated community who the *bleep* are you or anyone else to come in an vandalize my experience?  sony isn't the one fucking over the consumer base for consoles -- geohot is. 

And who are you to tell someone else what they can or cannot do with a device they paid money for, just like you did?

people living in gated communities give up their right to decorate their homes anyway they want to because that is the kind of community they want to live it.  don't buy a house in a gated community and then complain your rights are being infringed upon.  it was your option to pick what you want to buy.

you want to do crasy things with your devices -- fine with me.  just let me have a community where that shit isn't allowed and we can both be happy.



sergiodaly on 06 April 2011

copy / paste from the top of this discution "Forums - Sony Discussion - Sony fans, let's talk."
dont people know how to read? if they arent what the tittle says what are they doing here disturbing others that want to discuss without having to respond to them... well they are doing what hackers do... distrub others that dont want to deal with them!

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dsister on 06 April 2011
kitler53 said:

people living in gated communities give up their right to decorate their homes anyway they want to because that is the kind of community they want to live it.  don't buy a house in a gated community and then complain your rights are being infringed upon.  it was your option to pick what you want to buy.

you want to do crasy things with your devices -- fine with me.  just let me have a community where that shit isn't allowed and we can both be happy.


And how has Geohot and Graf's hacks impeded your enjoyment of the PS3? 

One game has had a problem with cheaters, one... And you don't own it 



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buglebum on 06 April 2011

Revelating Newsflash just in!!!...

 

Sony supporters support Sony.



kitler53 on 06 April 2011
dsister said:
kitler53 said:

people living in gated communities give up their right to decorate their homes anyway they want to because that is the kind of community they want to live it.  don't buy a house in a gated community and then complain your rights are being infringed upon.  it was your option to pick what you want to buy.

you want to do crasy things with your devices -- fine with me.  just let me have a community where that shit isn't allowed and we can both be happy.


And how has Geohot and Graf's hacks impeded your enjoyment of the PS3? 

One game has had a problem with cheaters, one... And you don't own it 


geohot isn't the guy hacking games, he's just the guy that took down the gate that let's everyone else in.  without the code that geohot distributed everyone else would have stayed the bleep out.

..and excuse me for being worried.  i personally don't want to wait until everything has gone to shit before getting involved (or at least expressing my opinion as the case may be).



Wagram on 06 April 2011
rocketpig said:
Wagram said:
rocketpig said:
Wagram said:

So by asking for an IP address they are labeling you as a criminal? Dude you need to take a chill pill.

Give me one good reason why they wanted those IP addresses.


Give me one reason why you should care about it? Every website you access has your IP address. So what? VGChartz has it. What have they done wrong with your IP that has you so pissed at them? If you answer that then I may fall to your side.

Apparently the difference between voluntarily offering up information and that information being given to another party without consent means nothing to you.


Ok, that information was given to Sony but have they done ANYTHING to you? It's not like their saying "Ohohohoho we have their IPs lets perma ban all them bitches off PSN right now!!!"



goforgold on 06 April 2011
rocketpig said:
kitler53 said:
rocketpig said:

I can't believe people here hope that Sony actually wins this battle. I'm not condoning Anon's actions but Sony is clearly in the wrong as well. They're trying to fuck over their consumer base, for crying out loud. How can anyone get behind that?

Pretty much everyone involved here is being a total fuckwit. Anon for attacking innocent PSN users/Sony employees, Sony for being such cockgobblers and reaching FAR beyond what should be their scope of legal action (if there is a right to legal action here at all), and that assclown judge for letting it all go down.


i like my walled garden of a gaming device, so much so in fact that am willing to pay the premium price that goes along with console gaming compared to PC gaming just to have the hackers and modders out of my gaming experience.

if i want to live in a gated community who the *bleep* are you or anyone else to come in an vandalize my experience?  sony isn't the one fucking over the consumer base for consoles -- geohot is. 

And who are you to tell someone else what they can or cannot do with a device they paid money for, just like you did?

because you did't pay for everything you got



Icyedge on 06 April 2011
Ssenkahdavic said:
Xbbjf9s said:
Ssenkahdavic said:
Tridrakious said:
BenVTrigger said:

Personally I don't feel Sony had any right whatsoever to attack Geohot, at all.  And I am VERY against piracy but the fact reamins Geo didn't commit piracy, he never broke the law.

But what Anon is doing by threatening the PSN and going after high ranking Sony officials families and such is beyond rediculous.


no he just published the tools to commit piracy and ruin the experience of real gamers looking to enjoy our games.

Sony had every right to take Geo to court.  The problem here is not the lawsuit itself, it is the fact that the court ruled in Sony's favor (when really they should have thrown it out to begin with). 

The question i'm asking myself is "what does sony get if they win?", I mean wouldn't have been easier to hire him an put him on the security team?

They will end up with information they should not have: The IP addresses of everyone who watched the videos, the financial records of everyone who donated to Geo...etc. 

You know, there has to be more to this entire endeavor.  Sony has to be looking for something in particular in all of this personal info. 

 

Let me be clear tho.  I believe Sony had every right to seek legal action in every aspect possible.  Does that mean they should win every suit they bring forward? No.

First, knowing an IP address reveal your ISP name and location, not your personal name and address. 

Second, what you mean by "financial records" is:

"“documents sufficient to identify the source of funds in California that went into any PayPal account associated with geohot@gmail.com for the period of January 1, 2009 to February 1, 2011.”"

And last but most important:

"Tuesday's order by US Magistrate Judge Joseph C. Spero said the information subject to Sony's subpoena “shall be provided on an Attorneys' Eyes Only basis” and is limited to information relating to whether Hotz has enough ties to Northern California to be sued in federal court in that district."

In other words, nothing will happen from the informations reveal by the subpoena other then what concern Geohot.

 

Quote from: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/16/geohot_paypal_records_subpoena/