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Kasz216 said:

Oh, by the way, the official Sony line seems to be... "They didn't shut us down, we didn't have any problems, we were running sporadic scheduled maintence.


Serious? lol



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Oblivion86 said:
Games4Fun said:
kcoward said:
Ajescent said:

Yup, these guys are totally the good guys
http://www.ps3blog.net/2011/04/05/hactivists-group-anonymous-hacks-psn-blocking-donations-to-tsunami-victims/?

WOW Sony website is the only place I can go to donate money to tsunami victims. get the hell out of here with that retardedness.

The point is still there in another form if you read on. Plus, you have to take into consideration that even on this board people who donated through PSN donated the couple bucks they had left on there account. Also, while there are many ways to donate to Japan not many people are going to just google it up and send money to just any company or website they see. PSN is one of those companies that the people who own Sony systems would most likly trust to see the money goes where it is needed. Not to mention it doesnt involve giving another company your infomation.


This post is just reeking of false facts, the point was that they were directly targeting anon as purposely hurting tsunami relief efforts which is just ludicrous. From the information I have gathered Anon is more then justified with whatever actions beyond acts of violence.


Prove anything I said wrong?



thranx said:
Kasz216 said:

Oh, by the way, the official Sony line seems to be... "They didn't shut us down, we didn't have any problems, we were running sporadic scheduled maintence.


Serious? lol


That's what i saw on one article, who knows if it'll change though.



One thing that everyone seems to not mention is that, if Sony wins, it's also illegal to mod your PSP and they can sue you to hell even if you didn't mod it to pirate games.



Doobie_wop said:
Kasz216 said:
Doobie_wop said:
Kasz216 said:
Ajescent said:
kcoward said:
Ajescent said:
kcoward said:
The Fury said:

Good for them, they took down some websites. What about the PSN? Which I presume do not run on the same servers as a couple of websites. 

Anonymous had a nice idea with the Wikileaks thing, supporting Freedom of Speech, this just seems more like supporting hacking and piracy.

Its not about piracy. I believe you are misinformed. Its because Sony is sueing Geohotz and making it seem like Geohotz is responsible for piracy when he had nothing to do with it. I suggest you do research on the situation.

Really?

What he did eventually led to MORE piracy but he did not hack the PS3 for people to play pirated games. Someone else used the code and made back up launchers for pirated games. The lawyers want to make it seem like its his fault when in reality there were pirates on the PS3 long before he hacked it.


That's not "having nothing to do with it."

Yes it is.

You don't charge gun manufacturers with crimes when people are shot.

You also don't give out guns to any random person, show them how to use those guns and then slink away when someone gets shot. 

Ok fine.

You don't charge kitchen knife manufactuerers when people stab other people to death with their knives.

You give kitchen knives to anyone who wants one.

Hey, your the one coming in with the gun remarks, I'm just saying that it was a silly use of the term.

I also don't like dancing around with analogies, because a real point can never come across right.

Like, I can change your knife analogy and say 'You can't give a kid a poisoned tip knife, nudge them into stabbing someone and then expect to get away with it'. It's silly.

Your point can only work if the thing that Geogotz did was claimed to be legal, but as of right now, we don't know if it is, so the analogies then start to fall apart.

Thats what all of his supporters are claiming.


Jailbreak your iphone is legal

jailbreak your ps3 not legal

 

I think that is the problem for most people here. It should be legal as there is precedent for it already.



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thranx said:

Thats what all of his supporters are claiming.


Jailbreak your iphone is legal

jailbreak your ps3 not legal

 

I think that is the problem for most people here. It should be legal as there is precedent for it already.

The difference is that one is a games console and another is a phone. One platform makes most of it's money from hardware, another makes most of it's money from software. One runs an online gaming network, the other doesn't. One has consumers which could potentially have their online experience harmed, the other doesn't. They are two different things, both of them being electronic devices doesn't make them similar platforms.

Also, the law that was passed for phones went through, as far as I know, the law still states that consoles can't be hacked. Until something changes, then analogies are pointless in this case.



Bet with Conegamer and AussieGecko that the PS3 will have more exclusives in 2011 than the Wii or 360... or something.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3879752

Games4Fun said:
Oblivion86 said:
Games4Fun said:
kcoward said:
Ajescent said:

Yup, these guys are totally the good guys
http://www.ps3blog.net/2011/04/05/hactivists-group-anonymous-hacks-psn-blocking-donations-to-tsunami-victims/?

WOW Sony website is the only place I can go to donate money to tsunami victims. get the hell out of here with that retardedness.

The point is still there in another form if you read on. Plus, you have to take into consideration that even on this board people who donated through PSN donated the couple bucks they had left on there account. Also, while there are many ways to donate to Japan not many people are going to just google it up and send money to just any company or website they see. PSN is one of those companies that the people who own Sony systems would most likly trust to see the money goes where it is needed. Not to mention it doesnt involve giving another company your infomation.


This post is just reeking of false facts, the point was that they were directly targeting anon as purposely hurting tsunami relief efforts which is just ludicrous. From the information I have gathered Anon is more then justified with whatever actions beyond acts of violence.


Prove anything I said wrong?

I'm not going to get into anything specific other then to say that there are dozen of proven relief organizations over a video game giant, that 90% of Americans would much rather trust, especially when some those orginizations are matching every dollar donated.


Back on topic, if you guys would actually research the matter as to why these retaliation attacks are happening instead of blindly following Sony you can see that what Sony did was 100% wrong, but I'll post part of it again for your benefit.

"Although Hotz denies that his activity in jailbreaking PlayStation 3 firmware violates the DMCA, Sony was awarded a temporary restraining order. Since then, Hotz and Sony have been battling it out in court to determine if the U.S. District Court of Northern California, where Sony wants to try the case, has jurisdiction over Hotz, who resides in New Jersey.

But it goes beyond that. Subsequent to the temporary restraining order, Sony has requested and received access to Hotz's social media accounts, as well the IP addresses of those who accessed his personal Web site. Last month, Sony also gained access to his PayPal account to find out if anyone from Northern California donated money to help him in his alleged hacking efforts."



Doobie_wop said:
thranx said:

Thats what all of his supporters are claiming.


Jailbreak your iphone is legal

jailbreak your ps3 not legal

 

I think that is the problem for most people here. It should be legal as there is precedent for it already.

The difference is that one is a games console and another is a phone. One platform makes most of it's money from hardware, another makes most of it's money from software. One runs an online gaming network, the other doesn't. One has consumers which could potentially have their online experience harmed, the other doesn't. They are two different things, both of them being electronic devices doesn't make them similar platforms.

Also, the law that was passed for phones went through, as far as I know, the law still states that consoles can't be hacked. Until something changes, then analogies are pointless in this case.


By allowing Linux to be installed on the PS3 they opened themselves to everything that has transpired as a result. You give someone the ability to open source a game console they are going to exploit it and since Sony was the one who provided the tools, they are now going to punish people for using what they were given. Come on, think about it.



Doobie_wop said:

We fight for consumer rights!

*Takes down PSN and hurts the service that millions of people use*

We only for fight for some consumer rights that appeal to a minority, every other consumer can go fuck themselves!

Anon and their fans are hypocrits.

Some need to be inconvenienced to secure rights for others. Like the people of the Deep South who, while maybe they didn't care too much one way or another about Civil Rights, were inconvenienced by sit-ins at cafeterias because they couldn't get their lunch, this momentary inconvenience will be to the benefit of all, if it works.

If not, it could backfire, making Sony yet more paranoid and defensive



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

Oblivion86 said:
Games4Fun said:
Oblivion86 said:
Games4Fun said:
kcoward said:
Ajescent said:

Yup, these guys are totally the good guys
http://www.ps3blog.net/2011/04/05/hactivists-group-anonymous-hacks-psn-blocking-donations-to-tsunami-victims/?

WOW Sony website is the only place I can go to donate money to tsunami victims. get the hell out of here with that retardedness.

The point is still there in another form if you read on. Plus, you have to take into consideration that even on this board people who donated through PSN donated the couple bucks they had left on there account. Also, while there are many ways to donate to Japan not many people are going to just google it up and send money to just any company or website they see. PSN is one of those companies that the people who own Sony systems would most likly trust to see the money goes where it is needed. Not to mention it doesnt involve giving another company your infomation.


This post is just reeking of false facts, the point was that they were directly targeting anon as purposely hurting tsunami relief efforts which is just ludicrous. From the information I have gathered Anon is more then justified with whatever actions beyond acts of violence.


Prove anything I said wrong?

I'm not going to get into anything specific other then to say that there are dozen of proven relief organizations over a video game giant, that 90% of Americans would much rather trust, especially when some those orginizations are matching every dollar donated.


Back on topic, if you guys would actually research the matter as to why these retaliation attacks are happening instead of blindly following Sony you can see that what Sony did was 100% wrong, but I'll post part of it again for your benefit.

"Although Hotz denies that his activity in jailbreaking PlayStation 3 firmware violates the DMCA, Sony was awarded a temporary restraining order. Since then, Hotz and Sony have been battling it out in court to determine if the U.S. District Court of Northern California, where Sony wants to try the case, has jurisdiction over Hotz, who resides in New Jersey.

But it goes beyond that. Subsequent to the temporary restraining order, Sony has requested and received access to Hotz's social media accounts, as well the IP addresses of those who accessed his personal Web site. Last month, Sony also gained access to his PayPal account to find out if anyone from Northern California donated money to help him in his alleged hacking efforts."

But that does not prove anything I said as wrong, which is my only problem with what you posted after quoting me. There are things to consider in any given situation and while I can agree there are plenty of legit places to donate money and it far from put some huge dent in relief funds, but it did in fact disrupt it. Plenty of people have donated through PSN because they trust it just the same as I trusted my college fundrasier board.