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TruckOSaurus on 22 March 2011
Hephaestos said:

So....

I'd much rather a cop clear Notstan down the line than lynch him today...A protown roleblocker is a very powerfull tool.

I wouldn't put all my hopes in the intervention of a cop since the combinaison of tracker and watcher could very well be in play to replace the cop.



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theprof00 on 22 March 2011

"A protown roleblocker is a very powerfull tool."

I'll let the reality speak for itself.

Notstan, who would you block tonight, given your thoughts at this very point in time?

 

Also @ Heph

I've gone through the scenarios. The only way Hat could be lying is if he, outlaw, and notstan are all in on it. 



hatmoza on 22 March 2011
NotStan said:
TruckOSaurus said:
NotStan said:

Oh snap. I wrote out a long ass post but Opera ended up crashing on me so I lost the progress that I had *Shakes fist at the Shockwave plugin*, unfortunately as I am heading off to bed I can't another long-ass post, will try to repost it either during the day tomorrow or during the evening, depends when I get home.

I don't know what your long ass post contained but here's what I would want you to address:

With the notion that you knew you had blocked hatmoza, what was going through your head as hatmoza started making his claims about the presence of a bus driver and all the theories that followed? Why did you still vote for him when your block explains perfectly the chain of events of the day?

First of all I had no idea what the bus drivers duty entails, other than the fact that his abilitiy to switch roles,what was going through my head? I thought that Hatmoza was chasing a dead end seeing as he was blocked for the night due to the suspicion that I had on day one, but I didn't want to reveal my current stance on it nor role claim at the time. I voted for him because I still think that he is hiding under the facade. Why? Because it's just an intiuition I guess, as I said before I've never had experience in this type of mafia before, I just thought that it was extremely suspicious that someone would roleclaim on the first/second day to be the elite bodyguard. A role that would scare both the scum and the townies effectively, giving him the right to hand out theories without any severe reprecussions as a result, again that vote may have been hasty and I am reconsidering it now but still a bit suspicious of his general behaviour, but I guess that's just me.

I never did specifically agree to the bus driver theory but instead tried to suggest another killing party on the loose such as another mafia faction, vigilante or possibly even SK.

Unvote Hatmoza


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hatmoza on 22 March 2011
Hephaestos said:

So....

I'd much rather a cop clear Notstan down the line than lynch him today...A protown roleblocker is a very powerfull tool.

I'm not getting the same Mafia vibe as everyone on MG.... but his elongated words (WHAAAAt SOOOO) do give me an uneasy feeling of trying to look joking all the time to fit in better.... I could see him as SK though, scum but in his very own team.

Darth... well I didn't like his roleclaim and although it's true that lynching him might equate to a no lynch, I don't think we'll manage to get this out of our heads if he is let to continue...

in anycase I don't think i'll be changing my vote and with no further information likely to come in:

Vote: timelimit

What is it with you and cop investigations? This is your second time implying that the cop is going to be our lord and savior. You do realize if the cop finds a guilty result that he's most likely going to go after the target without actually role claiming- or at least I hope. You never know, maybe the cop is already trying to drop hints today but we're too blind to notice.

Also. A pro-town role-blocker would have behaved differently today. All the clues point to him being scum role-blocker. As Trucks already pointed out. The chain reaction of events that started day 2, and the knowledge Stan held, and the actions he took, don't add up.

I mean if this isn't the perfect time to lynch, then what is one?  this will be a successful lynch I guarantee it.



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hatmoza on 22 March 2011
theprof00 said:
hatmoza said:

Trust.

Unfortunately, I've lost it in your case. And I don't mean that as an insult.  My paranoia  is kept to a minimum when I feel good about the style of play of  players I consider experienced. An indirect trust if you will. And since I lost that with Gniz and Heph early on. I was leaning towards you and Trucks.


goddamn you Hatmoza. Your beautiful poetry will be the end of me.

*whisper* you have noticed that I never unvoted, correct?

For those of you who are wondering, me and prof had straight butt secks shortly after this moment.



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theprof00 on 22 March 2011
hatmoza said:
theprof00 said:
hatmoza said:

Trust.

Unfortunately, I've lost it in your case. And I don't mean that as an insult.  My paranoia  is kept to a minimum when I feel good about the style of play of  players I consider experienced. An indirect trust if you will. And since I lost that with Gniz and Heph early on. I was leaning towards you and Trucks.


goddamn you Hatmoza. Your beautiful poetry will be the end of me.

*whisper* you have noticed that I never unvoted, correct?

For those of you who are wondering, me and prof had straight butt secks shortly after this momen

it was eye opening. Brown eye, that is.



Gnizmo on 22 March 2011

Unvote Darth

Vote NotStan

Thought I would get that one out of the way early. His axe to grind against Hat is just too bizarre for me. He went above and beyond but is now backpedling like a mad man. Believe me when I say I know something about desperatly trying to get Hatmoza lynched, but his methods just seem so odd to me. Voting for him while being the only person with enough information to know why Hatmoza has gone crazy is not normal behavior. Going for No Lynch on day 2 just makes the vote that much easier.

I am still up for lynching a random lurker instead, but obviously that ship has sailed. The game is starting to drag on too long.

As for the nonsense with theproff, well I don't see it as outside his normal playstyle from what I have experienced. Ocham's razor is obviously not something he enjoys using. Not saying I trust him in the least, but absurd theories to explain the mundane are kind of his forte.



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Linkzmax on 22 March 2011

Votals
With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

[2,L-6] darthdevidem01: (Gnizmo), TruckOSaurus, (theprof00), Hephaestos, (Baalzamon)
[6,L-2] NotStan: hatmoza, theprof00, Vetteman94, dsister, (Hephaestos), (A Bad Clown), outlawauron, Gnizmo
[0] Baalzamon: (Wonktonodi)
[0] No Lynch: (NotStan)
[1,L-7] MetalGear_94: Wonktonodi
[0] Hatmoza: (NotStan)

Votes for a deadline: Hephaestos. 4 needed in total



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Baalzamon on 22 March 2011

Well, I would have to agree that the day seems to be dragging out.  We aren't getting much for new information, just more speculation.

The thoughts towards metalgear seemed to have been toned down.  The general consensus seems to be we don't want to vote darth out, because he has been gone gone, not just lurking.  I do not think it is right in any way whatsoever to vote no lynch, and the general push seems to be that NotStan is still scum.  I don't know of any other highly suspicious people out there, so my only real option is to vote stan.

Vote: NotStan



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Hephaestos on 22 March 2011
theprof00 said:

"A protown roleblocker is a very powerfull tool."

I'll let the reality speak for itself.

Notstan, who would you block tonight, given your thoughts at this very point in time?

 

Also @ Heph

I've gone through the scenarios. The only way Hat could be lying is if he, outlaw, and notstan are all in on it. 

why the 3?

here's a scenario (not one I believe but one that disproves your idea):

Hat is mafia godfather. Outlaw is town tracker. Nostan is mafia blocker.

Nostan blocks a random person and Hat... doesn't move. Outlaw tracks Hat and sees nothing.

A) Hat claims to be bussed with the intent of saying later he was blocked... knowing there wouldn't be 2 blockers in the game, so that his claim couldn't be countered.

B) Nostan has to claim and does so by claiming he blocked Hat

C) Outlaw is non the wiser as his tracking is still true.

see only 2 of them need to be on it.... but it needs to be stan, outlaw is irrelevant in the equation.

The only plausible scenario with stan as town (or other mafia) and Hat as mafia is if hat has a power role as mafia, so he would have known his action was blocked (no info)... and besides godfather, there is no reason for him to have put himself forward like this and so early.

I agree however that the probability of such a scheme is low.

 

(oh and the reason I believe protown roleblock is usefull is because of the DBZ round ^^)



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