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Interesting turn of events about NotStan here. As I said before, I was pretty neutral on him but he did seem to put out the "I'm a newb" card a bit much and now since people have started voting for him he pulled out every scum trick in the bag: No Lynch vote, revenge vote on hatmoza, refusal to roleclaim saying he's important.

Now, he's finally roleclaimed Roleblocker which is quite plausible with what we know as of now but it doesn't fit at all with his vote on hatmoza. I think NotStan was one of the few who got really riled up about hatmoza's "Thank God, I'm a townie" so him roleblocking hat is logical but with how Day Two played out if he's really the roleblocker he should be thinking "hatmoza is telling the truth".

Also, someone already corrected NotStan on the "invincibility" of the Elite Bodyguard but I'd like to add that if hatmoza does have this role, him roleclaiming was a really smart move because it scares scum shitless. From now on they'll be afraid to kill who they really want dead for fear of dying themselves.



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Baalzamon said:
theprof00 said:
NotStan said:

Fine. I'll role claim, I was a roleblocker for the night and had assumed that hatmoza was part of a mafia fractions and blocked him. I still find it unbelieveable that people are willing to ignore the fact that he was the second/third person to role claim and the first role that he role claimed was the literally, the invincible role out of them all. Elite bodyguard cannot be killed without reprecessuions, giving him immunity. Vote away.

what do you mean, "for the night"? Do you mean, "at night, I am the roleblocker", or, "specifically, just for that night, I was the roleblocker".

I was looking at some roles, and was curious if the "Jack of All Trades" has ever been used on vgc mafia, because it would involve the potential to be a roleblocker, but only for one night.

I'm not saying it's not possible. I think we have had it once, but I can't remember for sure. Usually, the person that claims a jack-of-all-trades role is mafia.

In GOW (round 19?) that role was claimed by, i think dtewi, as pandora saying the box has random abilities, he was mafia. In the next round, I believe another mafia claimed a similar role.

In my Dragon Ball Z round, I think a mafia also claimed it, yet I'm not sure if I had put one in there or not.

If he claims that, I won't let my bias get in the way, but I'm not someone who would expect that to be a role in this game. Still, Linkz does think a bit outside the box.

Before I do any more thinking about the subject though, I'd like to see his answer.



TruckOSaurus said:

Interesting turn of events about NotStan here. As I said before, I was pretty neutral on him but he did seem to put out the "I'm a newb" card a bit much and now since people have started voting for him he pulled out every scum trick in the bag: No Lynch vote, revenge vote on hatmoza, refusal to roleclaim saying he's important.

Now, he's finally roleclaimed Roleblocker which is quite plausible with what we know as of now but it doesn't fit at all with his vote on hatmoza. I think NotStan was one of the few who got really riled up about hatmoza's "Thank God, I'm a townie" so him roleblocking hat is logical but with how Day Two played out if he's really the roleblocker he should be thinking "hatmoza is telling the truth".

Also, someone already corrected NotStan on the "invincibility" of the Elite Bodyguard but I'd like to add that if hatmoza does have this role, him roleclaiming was a really smart move because it scares scum shitless. From now on they'll be afraid to kill who they really want dead for fear of dying themselves.

See, I'm used to seeing a mafia roleblocker though. 

It's a tough decision. On one hand, I have a person claiming roleblocker, a role that is normally antagonistic, and on the other hand, I have a player who is pretty much a bomb. Both are good choices for a lynch because either or both could be lying. I need to see what notstan says about his role first.

Is he a roleblocker, or was it just for one night. His language makes it look like it was a one-shot ability. Either way, I'm not sure what I should do, and I'll most-likely remove my vote no matter what, but I'd like for everything to be clean and clear before I do anything.



theprof00 said:
TruckOSaurus said:

Interesting turn of events about NotStan here. As I said before, I was pretty neutral on him but he did seem to put out the "I'm a newb" card a bit much and now since people have started voting for him he pulled out every scum trick in the bag: No Lynch vote, revenge vote on hatmoza, refusal to roleclaim saying he's important.

Now, he's finally roleclaimed Roleblocker which is quite plausible with what we know as of now but it doesn't fit at all with his vote on hatmoza. I think NotStan was one of the few who got really riled up about hatmoza's "Thank God, I'm a townie" so him roleblocking hat is logical but with how Day Two played out if he's really the roleblocker he should be thinking "hatmoza is telling the truth".

Also, someone already corrected NotStan on the "invincibility" of the Elite Bodyguard but I'd like to add that if hatmoza does have this role, him roleclaiming was a really smart move because it scares scum shitless. From now on they'll be afraid to kill who they really want dead for fear of dying themselves.

See, I'm used to seeing a mafia roleblocker though. 

It's a tough decision. On one hand, I have a person claiming roleblocker, a role that is normally antagonistic, and on the other hand, I have a player who is pretty much a bomb. Both are good choices for a lynch because either or both could be lying. I need to see what notstan says about his role first.

Is he a roleblocker, or was it just for one night. His language makes it look like it was a one-shot ability. Either way, I'm not sure what I should do, and I'll most-likely remove my vote no matter what, but I'd like for everything to be clean and clear before I do anything.

I don't know why when I think Roleblocker, I always think town first although the role is much more appropriate for Mafia. As town, a Roleblocker is like a weak cop (block X if there's one less death X must be scum) but a blocker with bad aim can be pretty harmful to the town.

As you said, before we go ahead with voting/unvoting, I think we need to hear NotStan's clarifications.



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TruckOSaurus said:
theprof00 said:
TruckOSaurus said:

Interesting turn of events about NotStan here. As I said before, I was pretty neutral on him but he did seem to put out the "I'm a newb" card a bit much and now since people have started voting for him he pulled out every scum trick in the bag: No Lynch vote, revenge vote on hatmoza, refusal to roleclaim saying he's important.

Now, he's finally roleclaimed Roleblocker which is quite plausible with what we know as of now but it doesn't fit at all with his vote on hatmoza. I think NotStan was one of the few who got really riled up about hatmoza's "Thank God, I'm a townie" so him roleblocking hat is logical but with how Day Two played out if he's really the roleblocker he should be thinking "hatmoza is telling the truth".

Also, someone already corrected NotStan on the "invincibility" of the Elite Bodyguard but I'd like to add that if hatmoza does have this role, him roleclaiming was a really smart move because it scares scum shitless. From now on they'll be afraid to kill who they really want dead for fear of dying themselves.

See, I'm used to seeing a mafia roleblocker though. 

It's a tough decision. On one hand, I have a person claiming roleblocker, a role that is normally antagonistic, and on the other hand, I have a player who is pretty much a bomb. Both are good choices for a lynch because either or both could be lying. I need to see what notstan says about his role first.

Is he a roleblocker, or was it just for one night. His language makes it look like it was a one-shot ability. Either way, I'm not sure what I should do, and I'll most-likely remove my vote no matter what, but I'd like for everything to be clean and clear before I do anything.

I don't know why when I think Roleblocker, I always think town first although the role is much more appropriate for Mafia. As town, a Roleblocker is like a weak cop (block X if there's one less death X must be scum) but a blocker with bad aim can be pretty harmful to the town.

As you said, before we go ahead with voting/unvoting, I think we need to hear NotStan's clarifications.

I used to think that roleblocker should be pro-town, but imo, roleblocker only really makes sense as a mafia, because otherwise, town has too many chances to block a kill, and with this setup, where we can see hat as a guardian (bodyguard), we know there is at least 2 chances to block a kill, and if there is a doctor (are there ever games without one), then there would be three chances. With 14 people, and two kills, that's nearly a 50% chance to prevent a kill if a roleblocker exists. (Also, hat could be lying, skewing these results. Also, it's possible that instead of a doc there could be a faith healer, which is 50% chance to doc, AND Hat could be lying, etc etc)

There's too many variables to think about without his full explanation, but anything is possible. I'd be more inclined to believe a one-shot roleblock than a town roleblocker.



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theprof00 said:

I used to think that roleblocker should be pro-town, but imo, roleblocker only really makes sense as a mafia, because otherwise, town has too many chances to block a kill, and with this setup, where we can see hat as a guardian (bodyguard), we know there is at least 2 chances to block a kill, and if there is a doctor (are there ever games without one), then there would be three chances. With 14 people, and two kills, that's nearly a 50% chance to prevent a kill if a roleblocker exists. (Also, hat could be lying, skewing these results. Also, it's possible that instead of a doc there could be a faith healer, which is 50% chance to doc, AND Hat could be lying, etc etc)

There's too many variables to think about without his full explanation, but anything is possible. I'd be more inclined to believe a one-shot roleblock than a town roleblocker.

The only reason I'd be willing to believe so many "protective" roles right now would be because we've got ourselves two killing factions. It is possible we don't have a doctor, there wasn't any in the game where Stefl was the half-cop (hatmoza's game if my memory's good). Luckily the fear of a doctor kept Stefl alive until very late.

Also, if everyone's telling the truth, we've got ourselves a very powerful town (tracker, watcher, body guard, roleblocker, possible doc and cop), this makes me dread what the Mafia (or Mafias) have to compensate for this.



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theprof00 said:
TruckOSaurus said:

Interesting turn of events about NotStan here. As I said before, I was pretty neutral on him but he did seem to put out the "I'm a newb" card a bit much and now since people have started voting for him he pulled out every scum trick in the bag: No Lynch vote, revenge vote on hatmoza, refusal to roleclaim saying he's important.

Now, he's finally roleclaimed Roleblocker which is quite plausible with what we know as of now but it doesn't fit at all with his vote on hatmoza. I think NotStan was one of the few who got really riled up about hatmoza's "Thank God, I'm a townie" so him roleblocking hat is logical but with how Day Two played out if he's really the roleblocker he should be thinking "hatmoza is telling the truth".

Also, someone already corrected NotStan on the "invincibility" of the Elite Bodyguard but I'd like to add that if hatmoza does have this role, him roleclaiming was a really smart move because it scares scum shitless. From now on they'll be afraid to kill who they really want dead for fear of dying themselves.

See, I'm used to seeing a mafia roleblocker though. 

It's a tough decision. On one hand, I have a person claiming roleblocker, a role that is normally antagonistic, and on the other hand, I have a player who is pretty much a bomb. Both are good choices for a lynch because either or both could be lying. I need to see what notstan says about his role first.

Is he a roleblocker, or was it just for one night. His language makes it look like it was a one-shot ability. Either way, I'm not sure what I should do, and I'll most-likely remove my vote no matter what, but I'd like for everything to be clean and clear before I do anything.

To clarify I did not have ability to roleblock only for the night, I am a permanent roleblocker, just worded it incorrectly as it was very early in the morning.



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well guys, honestly I'd rather MG than darth, but seeing as darth is more of a lurker, well...



theprof00 said:

well guys, honestly I'd rather MG than darth, but seeing as darth is more of a lurker, well...


I agree with you although just a thought. You have trouble thinking of ABC getting scum twice in a row this would make 3 for metal gear.



theprof00 said:

well guys, honestly I'd rather MG than darth, but seeing as darth is more of a lurker, well...

I was going to say we should vote for him in my post where I voted for darth, but figured I'd just get flamed at and nobody would listen to my reasoning (hence my vote for darth for lurking and strange roleclaim instead), so if you can put up a good argument that other people will actually listen to, I'm all for it.



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