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Hephaestos on 18 March 2011
Baalzamon said:
theprof00 said:

spreading confusion

I think you have spread far more confusion than anybody else, and now with your most recent post, it is as if you completely disregard the idea that hatmoza could have been roleblocked, and instead attack me based on old information.

I really didn't want to do this, but since a bunch of other people already have, here goes:

I am Tyrande Whisperwind, TOWN VANILLA

vanilla should never role claim unless about to be lynched.... you're basically telling the scum

"i'm not a power role, the doc and cop are the guys beside me"

As I said earlier, Vanilla townies should consider themselves cannon fodder...



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TruckOSaurus on 18 March 2011
Hephaestos said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Hephaestos said:

HoS Hat

your roleclaim made you shift from possible mafia killer to Vanilla townie that will never be night killed.... the most convenient of covers. Even a cop investigation of you sounds useless as you're in the perfect cover for a godfather (and goon sugests there is one).

-> can't be killed

-> can't be investigated

-> easy to say you protected the wrong person for the rest of the game... on average docs get less than 1 right call and that would have been FF for you.

This town has no option than to lynch you on Lylo, congratz, you repeated linkz stunt of last game.... and he was mafia, are you?

I just wanted to point this out for every townie to sink it into their mind should they survive to the last day (lylo is last lynch before losing... so if you misslynch, you lose... and that's the time where you want to lynch the "unconfirmable" characters that claimed something making them out of reach ( such as a miller or in this case, a townie that can't be night killed).

This is distrubing, I agree with your conclusion that hatmoza could be scum covering all bases with his roleclaim (he does seem to be a very powerful version of a bodyguard). Frankly, I don't know what to do about it. Lynching him because of this possibility runs the risk of us loosing a great asset (both in the player and the role) but now that you've put it out there that he should be lynched at Lylo, a remaining scum could use him as a shield to secure a victory.


sure... but Hat IS the type of player that can pull a trick like this... especially with his history of early role claims as town.

I know he is, which is why I'm so torn about him. As described by hatmoza, his role seems too powerful which leads me to believe it could be a fabrication but then again hatmoza could have embelished some parts of his powers to ward off scum.



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theprof00 on 18 March 2011
Hephaestos said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Hephaestos said:

HoS Hat

your roleclaim made you shift from possible mafia killer to Vanilla townie that will never be night killed.... the most convenient of covers. Even a cop investigation of you sounds useless as you're in the perfect cover for a godfather (and goon sugests there is one).

-> can't be killed

-> can't be investigated

-> easy to say you protected the wrong person for the rest of the game... on average docs get less than 1 right call and that would have been FF for you.

This town has no option than to lynch you on Lylo, congratz, you repeated linkz stunt of last game.... and he was mafia, are you?

I just wanted to point this out for every townie to sink it into their mind should they survive to the last day (lylo is last lynch before losing... so if you misslynch, you lose... and that's the time where you want to lynch the "unconfirmable" characters that claimed something making them out of reach ( such as a miller or in this case, a townie that can't be night killed).

This is distrubing, I agree with your conclusion that hatmoza could be scum covering all bases with his roleclaim (he does seem to be a very powerful version of a bodyguard). Frankly, I don't know what to do about it. Lynching him because of this possibility runs the risk of us loosing a great asset (both in the player and the role) but now that you've put it out there that he should be lynched at Lylo, a remaining scum could use him as a shield to secure a victory.


sure... but Hat IS the type of player that can pull a trick like this... especially with his history of early role claims as town.

I'm in complete agreement with Heph here. It's also possible he could be making all of this up. In fact. Take a look at this scenario.

Vigilante killed FF, SK killed Radish, mafia kill was blocked, and Hat's whole dramatic tirade was to find out who the roleblocker was. 

It's also of note that he calls the blocker a whore-blocker, which is the mafia blocker. There is also a pro-town roleblocker and it never enters his head that it's a town one. I think that insistence might mean something.



hatmoza on 18 March 2011
Hephaestos said:
outlawauron said:

The only think that really worries me is that hat did actually do something, but I was roleblocked instead (which is unlikely as I was given a result rather than just saying I was blocked).

This has turned quite intriguing. I'm surprised that me and hat are the only ones to provide real detail about the night (outside of those just role claimin')


read up to the end of the thread.... and I just don't understand this posts.

Though the start could come from your confusion of hat being certain (initially) of doing something,  why would you think you were roleblocked of all people?

What's not to understand. He thought maybe he was blocked, but seeing how he got a result from his action, that is very unlikely. In his defense, the last time he played a game was almost a year ago.



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Hephaestos on 18 March 2011
theprof00 said:

And now I'm done with this conversation because I'm tired of being accused of derailing the thread or taking over the thread simply because I'm trying to help someone read properly.

I'll bet FF is in the dead thread right now saying just that. "I don't like how prof is derailing the discussion".


don't worry, he's a new player, you're helping everyone get a read on him.... and it's not day one so I find it more relevant



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Hephaestos on 18 March 2011
A Bad Clown said:

How many town vanillas can we have in this game? Darth and Bazaal already claimed them, and there'd porbably be another player that's vanilla and hasn't mentioned it.


assuming 2 mafia factions (6 players) and a tracker a watcher a bodyguard a doc a cop and a SK/Vig

that leaves 4 vanilla.... yeah If i were mafia i wouldn't try that role claim, too bad ABC :p

 

FoS ABC for having others do his thinking... something he did as mafia last game.



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theprof00 on 18 March 2011

Also, I'm going to start talking about Hat, because in the off chance that he's town AND lying, then I'm not going to fuck it up for him.

He's Lylo lynch, and that's all I have to say about Hat.



theprof00 on 18 March 2011
Hephaestos said:
A Bad Clown said:

How many town vanillas can we have in this game? Darth and Bazaal already claimed them, and there'd porbably be another player that's vanilla and hasn't mentioned it.


assuming 2 mafia factions (6 players) and a tracker a watcher a bodyguard a doc a cop and a SK/Vig

that leaves 4 vanilla.... yeah If i were mafia i wouldn't try that role claim, too bad ABC :p

 

FoS ABC for having others do his thinking... something he did as mafia last game.

I think, Heph, you can pretty much count on me agreeing with most of everything you say. I'm going to stop making posts saying I agree, and only post when I don't agree.

But yeah, ABC is high on the potals list as well.

AND, we don't know for sure that darth actually is vanilla.



Hephaestos on 18 March 2011
hatmoza said:
Hephaestos said:
outlawauron said:

The only think that really worries me is that hat did actually do something, but I was roleblocked instead (which is unlikely as I was given a result rather than just saying I was blocked).

This has turned quite intriguing. I'm surprised that me and hat are the only ones to provide real detail about the night (outside of those just role claimin')


read up to the end of the thread.... and I just don't understand this posts.

Though the start could come from your confusion of hat being certain (initially) of doing something,  why would you think you were roleblocked of all people?

What's not to understand. He thought maybe he was blocked, but seeing how he got a result from his action, that is very unlikely. In his defense, the last time he played a game was almost a year ago.

that post was after you cleared out that you were in fact roleblocked.

and I know he hasn't played in a while, but his post is confused as can be and seems off from the rest of the discution to me.



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Hephaestos on 18 March 2011
theprof00 said:

Also, I'm going to start talking about Hat, because in the off chance that he's town AND lying, then I'm not going to fuck it up for him.

He's Lylo lynch, and that's all I have to say about Hat.

stop not start =D



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