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Baalzamon said:
theprof00 said:

spreading confusion

I think you have spread far more confusion than anybody else, and now with your most recent post, it is as if you completely disregard the idea that hatmoza could have been roleblocked, and instead attack me based on old information.

I really didn't want to do this, but since a bunch of other people already have, here goes:

I am Tyrande Whisperwind, TOWN VANILLA

Because I'm not going to provide you with evidence to show you how completely and utterly wrong you are. Show me exactly how the bolded is true.



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And now I'm done with this conversation because I'm tired of being accused of derailing the thread or taking over the thread simply because I'm trying to help someone read properly.

I'll bet FF is in the dead thread right now saying just that. "I don't like how prof is derailing the discussion".



theprof00 said:

 

In order of appearance:

DAY 1:

Name  (C/NC/?/M/Slip)

wonk 13-19-0-0-0
radish 3-11-1-4-0
MG 8-37-1-0-0
notstan 1-27-0-0-0
vette 5-1-1-1-0
dsis 11-20-0-2-0
hat 7-9-0-1-0
ABC 8-26-0-4-0
Baal 1-6-1-12-0
prof 6-4-0-0-0
ff 4-9-0-0-0
truck 10-7-0-0-0
Heph 10-16-0-3-0
Gnizmo 4-1-1-0-0
outlaw 0-0-0-0-0-0
darth 2-3-0-1-0 

Outlaw got a 0 because I don't count, "Hi, I'm here" posts as posts. That would be unfair.

Trophies:
MOST POSTS:
MetalGear: 46 posts
ABC: 38
Dsis: 33

MOST CONTENT:
wonk: 13
dsis: 11
truck&heph: 10 each

MOST NON-CONTENT:
MG: 37
Notstan: 27
ABC: 26

MOST MISTAKES:
Baal: 12
Radish&ABC: 4
Heph: 3

BEST RATIO:
Gnizmo: 66%
Vette: 62.5%
Theprof00: 60%
Truck: 58%
nothing else over 50%

WORST RATIO:
Notstan: 3.7%
Baal: 5%
MG: 17.4%
Radish: 18.75%
nothing else under 20% (ABC was the next closest at 21%)

That was one big post. I'll comment on the stats and come back to the noted posts later as needed.

NotStan and Baal are new players, which kinda forgives the lower ratio of content in their posts (to a certain extent). NotStan didn't make much of an impression on me so he's neutral to me right now but Baal did strike me as the perfect case of the paranoid townie new player on Day One.

I'm surprised by the amount of NC posts by Metal_Gear, did you count his posts when he was questionned about his quick vote as non-content? Also surprised at MG being the one with the most posts, history would indicate he's not scum since he lurks a lot when scum but then again he could be scum that has learned from his mistake.



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theprof00 said:
Baalzamon said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Baalzamon said:
theprof00 said:

@baal and notstan

I know it's hard for you to understand if you don't read the thread.

Hatmoza said specific things happened, and based on those things he was saying, it was impossible for it to fit together. Hatmoza was 100% sure that ff was bussed. And Outlaw was 100% sure that hat didn't do anything. Then hat came to the conclusion that if he himself didn't do anything, then he was also bussed.

If you don't know what you're talking about/ you don't read the thread, then don't bother commenting. I really really want to push for your lynch baal, so don't give me a reason to. I have a long list of your posts demonstrating cagey behavior, WIFOM, spreading confusion, cautiousness, and now I can add inatentiveness. In fact, my potals will be in the following post.

Don't tell me I'm not reading the thread just because I see certain things as taking different paths than what you see.

hatmoza said he was supposedly a bodyguard, in which case, considering we have since realized it is possible he was role blocked without a PM, how can he be so certain that ff was bussed.  Also, if hatmoza was role blocked, then would it not make since that outlaw could say hatmoza didn't do anything, as he didn't because he was roleblocked.

He WAS certain of it BEFORE he realized he was blocked. He doesn't believe it anymore.

yes, but prof still seems extremely adament that the bussing theory is true, and seems to have just completely ignored the latest consensus that he was actually role blocked, and I'm curious as to why this is.

I haven't, at any point after Hat said he was a guardian, held onto the busser theory. Hat didn't tell us he was a guardian until after he himself realized he was wrong. I had no idea what both outlaw or hat was. I was making conclusions based on the fact that Hatmoza was telling me he was right.

Hatmoza even berated me by saying, "I'm not going to roleclaim or give any more info. Someone of your calibur should be able to figure it out". But what he was saying was ONLY POSSIBLE IF (and I can't stress that word IF enough. I wrote it several times before my theory) my series of events was true. There was no other way for both him and outlaw to both be 100% accurate about what happened.

That is why I say you aren't reading the thread. Because it's like you skipped that whole part of the the discussion, and moved straight to where Hat role-claimed. After the claim, it was obvious he was simply roleblocked. But before that, he was spreading confusion by sharing innaccurate info, that lovable bastard.

I didn't skip that part at all though, I just didn't think the discussion had enough backing to even take part in it, because there was far too much...guessing, I think is the right word.

Once we realized that hatmoza was roleblocked, THEN I thought it was worthy of beginning to post about possibilities for what it actually going on, and I posted exactly how I feel it is going on, and it very well could be going on in that manner with the current information that we know.



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Wonktonodi said:

So today we haven't had very much from dsister, darth and notstan. (FoS all three of them) Although even Metal Gear and ABC's comments aren't the biggest contributions even though they have been posting more than the first three. (FoS the two of them as well). I find it a bit odd with how they are also talking of lyching lurkers. S

IIRC gnizmo, vet and baal didn't say much outside of the talk of cosplay roles matching up with scumy or not scummy roles. Something Linkz had explained in the sign up thread. So not much better than ABC or metal gear but they aren't pushing for lynching lurkers or anything like that yet. However I will watch to see they talk about something that isn't really a given.

Prof, trucks and heph had been involved in several things that have been helpeful and/or informative.

Outlaw and Hat have given us info that there is a role-blocker out there. Although we can't trust them 100%. There is no reason to even cosidering lynching them unless they seem to surive for no apparent reason for too long(at least 2 more nights)

I was not pushing for a lynch on a lurker, I wasn't even pushing for one

I even said I rather have them modkilled and I also told ABC to not rush the day cause it just started.

FoS: Wonk



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Baalzamon said:

I didn't skip that part at all though, I just didn't think the discussion had enough backing to even take part in it, because there was far too much...guessing, I think is the right word.

Once we realized that hatmoza was roleblocked, THEN I thought it was worthy of beginning to post about possibilities for what it actually going on, and I posted exactly how I feel it is going on, and it very well could be going on in that manner with the current information that we know.

I realize that posting anything about Hat's series of last night's events was a mistake. 

However, the things he was saying didn't make sense. You say you didn't feel the need to post until it had enough backing. Well, I'll counter that by saying that we wouldn't have found that out unless people like me and Heph pressed him. We would all still think there was a busser, etc etc.

"THEN I thought it was worthy of beginning to post about possibilities for what it actually going on"

underlined, bolded, and italicized to point our how ridiculous you are being. At that point, there ARE NO possibilities, there is one conclusion, no possibilities.

Instead, your "possibility" was about me, wrongfully saying that I was insisting there was a busser, despite him being "obviously" roleblocked. You claimed that my theorizing was dumb because it was obvious that Hat was roleblocked. You used information gained AFTER the fact (from my own investigation, no less), to criticize my investigation. 

Everyone can see how wrong you are.

sorry, this is my last post on this subject. promise



theprof00 said:
Baalzamon said:

I didn't skip that part at all though, I just didn't think the discussion had enough backing to even take part in it, because there was far too much...guessing, I think is the right word.

Once we realized that hatmoza was roleblocked, THEN I thought it was worthy of beginning to post about possibilities for what it actually going on, and I posted exactly how I feel it is going on, and it very well could be going on in that manner with the current information that we know.

I realize that posting anything about Hat's series of last night's events was a mistake. 

However, the things he was saying didn't make sense. You say you didn't feel the need to post until it had enough backing. Well, I'll counter that by saying that we wouldn't have found that out unless people like me and Heph pressed him. We would all still think there was a busser, etc etc.

"THEN I thought it was worthy of beginning to post about possibilities for what it actually going on"

underlined, bolded, and italicized to point our how ridiculous you are being. At that point, there ARE NO possibilities, there is one conclusion, no possibilities.

Instead, your "possibility" was about me, wrongfully saying that I was insisting there was a busser, despite him being "obviously" roleblocked. You claimed that my theorizing was dumb because it was obvious that Hat was roleblocked. You used information gained AFTER the fact (from my own investigation, no less), to criticize my investigation. 

Everyone can see how wrong you are.

sorry, this is my last post on this subject. promise

That's ok, your criticism will allow me to be better in the future

But on topic, I do agree with you that we needed to push the idea, I just felt like if I would have gotten involved with the bussing idea last night with the minimal knowledge that I had of the game, it really wouldn't have helped anybody at all, and perhaps could have just hurt me worse, so I felt it was best for me to stay out.

Also, I don't know why I still referred to it as possibilities when we do know that it is what happened...typo.



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How many town vanillas can we have in this game? Darth and Bazaal already claimed them, and there'd porbably be another player that's vanilla and hasn't mentioned it.



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19:44:36 Skeezer FAILURE
19:44:51 ABadClown You're right!
19:44:55 ABadClown Hur hur hur
19:45:01 Skeezer i meant
19:45:04 Skeezer YOU ARE A FAILKURE
19:45:08 Skeezer FAILURE*
TruckOSaurus said:
Hephaestos said:

HoS Hat

your roleclaim made you shift from possible mafia killer to Vanilla townie that will never be night killed.... the most convenient of covers. Even a cop investigation of you sounds useless as you're in the perfect cover for a godfather (and goon sugests there is one).

-> can't be killed

-> can't be investigated

-> easy to say you protected the wrong person for the rest of the game... on average docs get less than 1 right call and that would have been FF for you.

This town has no option than to lynch you on Lylo, congratz, you repeated linkz stunt of last game.... and he was mafia, are you?

I just wanted to point this out for every townie to sink it into their mind should they survive to the last day (lylo is last lynch before losing... so if you misslynch, you lose... and that's the time where you want to lynch the "unconfirmable" characters that claimed something making them out of reach ( such as a miller or in this case, a townie that can't be night killed).

This is distrubing, I agree with your conclusion that hatmoza could be scum covering all bases with his roleclaim (he does seem to be a very powerful version of a bodyguard). Frankly, I don't know what to do about it. Lynching him because of this possibility runs the risk of us loosing a great asset (both in the player and the role) but now that you've put it out there that he should be lynched at Lylo, a remaining scum could use him as a shield to secure a victory.


sure... but Hat IS the type of player that can pull a trick like this... especially with his history of early role claims as town.



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TruckOSaurus said:

That was one big post. I'll comment on the stats and come back to the noted posts later as needed.

NotStan and Baal are new players, which kinda forgives the lower ratio of content in their posts (to a certain extent). NotStan didn't make much of an impression on me so he's neutral to me right now but Baal did strike me as the perfect case of the paranoid townie new player on Day One.

I'm surprised by the amount of NC posts by Metal_Gear, did you count his posts when he was questionned about his quick vote as non-content? Also surprised at MG being the one with the most posts, history would indicate he's not scum since he lurks a lot when scum but then again he could be scum that has learned from his mistake.

Honestly, I'm not concerned about Baal. 

Notstan actually seems like a good candidate, but I'm not yet convinced. I could just be being picky. 

Concerning mg, I'm not sure if I did or not. Just read the posts yourself. If they come off as "waste of time reading that", then I probably did. And yeah, it's also notable that you yourself mentioned him as a lurker in your answer section to dsis, saying, "like MG twice in a row".