So today we haven't had very much from dsister, darth and notstan. (FoS all three of them) Although even Metal Gear and ABC's comments aren't the biggest contributions even though they have been posting more than the first three. (FoS the two of them as well). I find it a bit odd with how they are also talking of lyching lurkers. S

IIRC gnizmo, vet and baal didn't say much outside of the talk of cosplay roles matching up with scumy or not scummy roles. Something Linkz had explained in the sign up thread. So not much better than ABC or metal gear but they aren't pushing for lynching lurkers or anything like that yet. However I will watch to see they talk about something that isn't really a given.

Prof, trucks and heph had been involved in several things that have been helpeful and/or informative.

Outlaw and Hat have given us info that there is a role-blocker out there. Although we can't trust them 100%. There is no reason to even cosidering lynching them unless they seem to surive for no apparent reason for too long(at least 2 more nights)

So today we haven't had very much from dsister, darth and notstan. (FoS all three of them) Although even Metal Gear and ABC's comments aren't the biggest contributions even though they have been posting more than the first three. (FoS the two of them as well). I find it a bit odd with how they are also talking of lyching lurkers. S

IIRC gnizmo, vet and baal didn't say much outside of the talk of cosplay roles matching up with scumy or not scummy roles. Something Linkz had explained in the sign up thread. So not much better than ABC or metal gear but they aren't pushing for lynching lurkers or anything like that yet. However I will watch to see they talk about something that isn't really a given.

Prof, trucks and heph had been involved in several things that have been helpeful and/or informative.

Outlaw and Hat have given us info that there is a role-blocker out there. Although we can't trust them 100%. There is no reason to even cosidering lynching them unless they seem to surive for no apparent reason for too long(at least 2 more nights)

read up to the end of the thread.... and I just don't understand this posts.

Though the start could come from your confusion of hat being certain (initially) of doing something,  why would you think you were roleblocked of all people?

well considering the width of roleclaims and the size of the WoW lore... i'd find it hard for someone to take a wrong nameclaim (unless they claim illidan which has 90% chance of having a counterclaim).

Now if i read correctly, he did confirm not being knowledgable on WoW so there is indeed a little worry there... but again, with linkz claim that we should be carefull on this, his only reason was if he was part of the dragon mafia or if the burning legion one was indeed a mafia and he wanted to avoid being grouped with these guys.

I just don't feel like contributing much to the topic,

a) I am reading through the thread,

b) Everytime I post my actions are misinterpreted, one way or the other like that time I was apparently "defensive" >_>, sarcasm is a bit hard to convey over the forums.

Overall I think if there is a bus driver there is another role that is capable of a lynch,  so we're probably either dealing with more than one mafia family, vigilante or SK. That's the only possible way to explain more than one kill, even if Hatmoza is a guardian, neither he nor a bus driver are capable of a second lynch. I doubt it's the second mafia family scenario as the numbers wouldn't add up considering we only had 17 people playing. I am not sure on the SK but it sounds to me personally like vigilante or another mafia are responsible for the death of Radish, the death was just too "clean" I guess. SK kill would have been much more perverse, akin to the death of F-F actually.. But what was radish doing up then..? And could the mafia that is supposed to carry out the kill get roleblocked thus voiding them of a night kill? I'll read it up on the Wiki a bit more.

My take on events,

F-F is killed by radish,

hat is roleblocked but not notified(see his above posts),

radish is killed by a vigilante.

I don't know why people are overcomplicating it so much, I've just read up on the wiki regarding the roles and it seems to add up in a sense.

HoS Hat

your roleclaim made you shift from possible mafia killer to Vanilla townie that will never be night killed.... the most convenient of covers. Even a cop investigation of you sounds useless as you're in the perfect cover for a godfather (and goon sugests there is one).

-> can't be killed

-> can't be investigated

-> easy to say you protected the wrong person for the rest of the game... on average docs get less than 1 right call and that would have been FF for you.

This town has no option than to lynch you on Lylo, congratz, you repeated linkz stunt of last game.... and he was mafia, are you?

I just wanted to point this out for every townie to sink it into their mind should they survive to the last day (lylo is last lynch before losing... so if you misslynch, you lose... and that's the time where you want to lynch the "unconfirmable" characters that claimed something making them out of reach ( such as a miller or in this case, a townie that can't be night killed).

2 things:

1) Lynch is referencing a day death at the hand of the town. Use Kill or murder for night deaths, otherwise you might be missunderstood. (pointing this as you're complaining of being missunderstood).

2) Editing one's post is not allowed in mafia, even if there's plenty of typos. You'll notice a timestamp at the end of your edited posts, it means that the edit was more than a few minutes after the initial post. This is interpreted as you changing something in your post that you later realize is a slip or similar...

First game so please consider yourself aware of this from now on.

(the only way edits is tolerated is when you do:

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I think he was lynched (killed) because he roleclaimed cop.

Edit: wrong word

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and present it leaving the original text as a strikethrough. and at the end of the post, you add an explanation (Edit: ).

But be warned that even then it's frowned upon.

Alright noted, the mafia that I have played was much more simplified before, and even that was a while back. Will keep that in mind, I usually just see the typoes that I've made when touch typing so edit the posts in order to correct them.

This is distrubing, I agree with your conclusion that hatmoza could be scum covering all bases with his roleclaim (he does seem to be a very powerful version of a bodyguard). Frankly, I don't know what to do about it. Lynching him because of this possibility runs the risk of us loosing a great asset (both in the player and the role) but now that you've put it out there that he should be lynched at Lylo, a remaining scum could use him as a shield to secure a victory.

A lot of these theories seem possible, albeit extremely complicated, but I just don't think its as complicated as everybody is making it to be.

Hat guarded Final-Fan, but was roleblocked, so nothing happened with this.

Mafia killed Final-Fan

Some other role that works in the night killed Radish

I just think any other "evidence" that has been presented may just be an attempt by some to complicate the game, there doesn't seem to be definitive proof that there is in fact a busser.

My only question is, are all roles of somebody revealed when they die (if anybody does in fact have more than one role), or is it possible linkz decided to only reveal one role (given that somebody has more than one role), and the 2 dead could in fact be siblings, and the mafia decided to kill the siblings to institute a lot of confusion among us?  I'm thinking that all roles are revealed, but I'm not totally certain how all the rules work out yet.