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A Bad Clown on 17 March 2011
MetalGear_94 said:
A Bad Clown said:

Then let there be a mod kill unless the lurkers start to play, if they play it'd be better. Am I the only one who finds the darth and vetteman role-claims fishy?

No darths roleclaim was pretty suspect


I mean he just basically went "Guys I'm pro town vanilla k thnx bye" with it.



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TruckOSaurus on 17 March 2011
theprof00 said:
MetalGear_94 said:
theprof00 said:

The only way possible, period, is this set of events:

you are the tracker. You tracked Hat. Hat role-watched FF, FF was bussed with Hat, Hat was role-blocked, Hat was night-killed.

So, Hat watched himself, you tracked FF, FF was roleblocked and killed.

That's the only possible solution that makes sense with everything.


Role watched? like a mafia cop?

there's a role, I forget what it is atm, but it's basically a watcher, but instead of watching WHO goes to what person, he sees WHAT happened to that person.

So, say I target FF, I would know, "Night-killed" "bussed" "roleblocked"

 

Now, to add on to the series of events, according to the fluff (flavor) FF's arms were BOUND. That could be a roleblock. So, I'm starting to think that this series of events IS exactly what happened.

However, this would also require that Hat was targeted by 3 players. Night-killed, roleblocked, bussed, oh and tracked. 4 players would have to target Hat. That's quite a substantial number.

It would also have to ignore that FF was wearing his goggles.

Catching up with the thread here so I don't know if this was addressed already but the role you're looking for is Watcher and that's precisely what Final-Fan was. I can't imagine there being two watchers.



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Stefl1504 on 17 March 2011

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A Bad Clown on 17 March 2011

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TruckOSaurus on 17 March 2011

Okay let me get this straight... I'm going to assume everyone who revealed information is telling the truth for the time being to see if we can get a plausible scenario.

- hatmoza protects Final-Fan but he dies anyway.

- outlaw tracks hatmoza who said he went out but outlaw gets a "Stayed at home" result

This indeed points to a busser who switched hatmoza and Final-Fan last night.

Problem #1: Why switch two high profile players together? If the intention of the bus driver was to protect hatmoza why not switch him out with a lurker? (I wanna state that I really really don't want to consider the possibility of a Mafia Bus Driver since it was established this was a broken role)

Problem #2: outlaw received a "Stayed at home" result, if we assume the above switch, it would mean Final-Fan did not watch anyone last night which is highly unlikely.  I guess Final-Fan being role-blocked could possibly explain this since a blocked person would "stay home".

So all in all nothing is impossible and both hatmoza's and outlaw's version can be true at the same time but this also means we're dealing with lots of town power roles which in return means a strong Mafia.



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theprof00 on 17 March 2011

So now that we can piece some things together, here is what I gather.

Hat was bussed with FF.

Hat went to guard FF, but ended up guarding himself.

Auron went to track Hat, but ended up tracking FF.

Hat was roleblocked, but it ended up role-blocking FF.

Hat was night killed, but it ended up killing FF.

 So, neither outlaw, nor hat were roleblocked.

 

Looking at this series of events;

Hat was targeted for roleblock, kill, bus, and track.

If this is a mafia kill, then it wouldn't make sense to track him. Therefore, tracker should be town. Also, it makes sense for the roleblock would be town for the same reason.

However, it is possible that the busser is a mafia, given this scenario.

Given that the other kill hit a mafia, and hat ended up guarding himself, and hat would die if he is guarding his target, then that means that radish had to have been killed by a third party; SK or vig.

It's also possible that the mafia kill was protected by a doc, so there could have been three kills last night.

Anyhoo, a likely scenario could be

1. mafia kill doctored
2. vig/sk killed (hat) ff
3. vig/sk killed radish.

I think both radish and hat were possible vig targets, but I think hat moreso due to his townie claim.

 

However, it is a smart mafia tactic to bus a player and kill them, so that it's an indirect kill/ a proxy; ie, the kill can't be traced back to the killer since it is being placed on a bussed player.

It's even smarter for the mafia busser to bus himself with another player, and have the mafia killer target the busser. That way, if someone watches the busser they will see that someone visited them, and not knowing that player is the busser makes it look like the busser was about to be killed. Additionally, if they are tracked, it ends up tracking the person that died, etc etc.

 

What I'm getting at here, is that I'm not sure that Hat is who he says he is.

Also, there is no Gross Hellscream.

There is Garrosh and Grom. And those are the same person.

And that character dies in warcraft 3. Not sure if he is even in WoW.



theprof00 on 17 March 2011

sorry, grom and grommash are the same person, and garrosh is his son.

Still, there is no gross



theprof00 on 17 March 2011
TruckOSaurus said:
theprof00 said:
MetalGear_94 said:
theprof00 said:

The only way possible, period, is this set of events:

you are the tracker. You tracked Hat. Hat role-watched FF, FF was bussed with Hat, Hat was role-blocked, Hat was night-killed.

So, Hat watched himself, you tracked FF, FF was roleblocked and killed.

That's the only possible solution that makes sense with everything.


Role watched? like a mafia cop?

there's a role, I forget what it is atm, but it's basically a watcher, but instead of watching WHO goes to what person, he sees WHAT happened to that person.

So, say I target FF, I would know, "Night-killed" "bussed" "roleblocked"

 

Now, to add on to the series of events, according to the fluff (flavor) FF's arms were BOUND. That could be a roleblock. So, I'm starting to think that this series of events IS exactly what happened.

However, this would also require that Hat was targeted by 3 players. Night-killed, roleblocked, bussed, oh and tracked. 4 players would have to target Hat. That's quite a substantial number.

It would also have to ignore that FF was wearing his goggles.

Catching up with the thread here so I don't know if this was addressed already but the role you're looking for is Watcher and that's precisely what Final-Fan was. I can't imagine there being two watchers.

no, a watcher sees who visits your target.

the role I'm thinking of doesn't exist.

I thought it was the forensic investigator.

I was talking about seeing the things that happen to a person. Either way it doesn't matter. Hat isn't that.



Linkzmax on 17 March 2011

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Roleblocker

"The target's night choice will not be performed, and the target may or may not be informed he was blocked"

I will not discuss in-thread how I'd handle a bus driver's actions(other roles may or may not be informed of the switch) as that would mod-confirm it's existence or lack thereof. I'll share my opinion post-game.



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dsister on 17 March 2011

Ok, sorry guys, I have two midterms tomorrow that I need to get prepared for. Will be back to acting crazy tomorrow ^^ [pg14]



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