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Wonktonodi on 17 March 2011
hatmoza said:
Gnizmo said:

Oh to hell with it. I am Jaina Proudmoore, and pro-town. She is the leader of the Aliance, and the one who helped broker a peace deal with the Orcs ended an unbelievably long and bloody war. Obviously good.

Medivh has a colorful past, but we will focus on the most recent entries for this purpose. Recently was essentially incoproreal, but managed to watch and save pretty much every living thing on Azeroth. Mostly through watching and warning people. Obviously good, and fits his role.

Onyxia is daughter od Neltharion the Destroyer aka Deathwing. Onyxia's work has centered around corrupting, and controlling the capital of the Alliance mostly intending to slaughter and enslave all life. Works for her father. Essentially taking orders and acting as his "goon." Obviously bad, and fits the role.

3 for 3 for alignment. Role will be dubious  as I won't claim that as yet, but this should be enough to convince some people here. Anyone who feels like character name dropping can prove the point further, or demonstrate this as an odd coincidence. 3 makes a pattern for me though.

You know, I could have roleclaimed already with my awesome cool role, but i chose not to, for the sake of the game -_-

so you admit to having a role but just don't say what it is?  How does that really help since you have stated so much info as fact and someone else says that you did nothing last night?



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hatmoza on 17 March 2011
theprof00 said:
hatmoza said:

Wow, this game turned into a rolclaim fuckfest.

Well, I'd suggest you explain yourself, seeing as how auron says you stayed home last night.


Still catching up baby.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

hatmoza on 17 March 2011
Wonktonodi said:
hatmoza said:
Gnizmo said:

Oh to hell with it. I am Jaina Proudmoore, and pro-town. She is the leader of the Aliance, and the one who helped broker a peace deal with the Orcs ended an unbelievably long and bloody war. Obviously good.

Medivh has a colorful past, but we will focus on the most recent entries for this purpose. Recently was essentially incoproreal, but managed to watch and save pretty much every living thing on Azeroth. Mostly through watching and warning people. Obviously good, and fits his role.

Onyxia is daughter od Neltharion the Destroyer aka Deathwing. Onyxia's work has centered around corrupting, and controlling the capital of the Alliance mostly intending to slaughter and enslave all life. Works for her father. Essentially taking orders and acting as his "goon." Obviously bad, and fits the role.

3 for 3 for alignment. Role will be dubious  as I won't claim that as yet, but this should be enough to convince some people here. Anyone who feels like character name dropping can prove the point further, or demonstrate this as an odd coincidence. 3 makes a pattern for me though.

You know, I could have roleclaimed already with my awesome cool role, but i chose not to, for the sake of the game -_-

so you admit to having a role but just don't say what it is?  How does that really help since you have stated so much info as fact and someone else says that you did nothing last night?

Ok, I think I'm up to speed with the game now.

Because my character is bad, but I'm pro-town. And I know how crazy you guys get with the character vs role alignment discussions.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

Wonktonodi on 17 March 2011
Hephaestos said:
TruckOSaurus said:

Now on to the aftermath of last night. It's been a while since we had two deaths in a night.

Two options have been brought forward by other players:

- Two Mafia factions: I'm not inclined to believe this one because of the size of the game and the fact that theRepublic has helped balanced this game (I'm pretty sure he would have objected to this) and also because I believe radish would have been labelled Mafia A or B in the OP.
- Linkzmax puts all deaths in the same color: I'd put my money on this option. Whether because Linkz has never been in a multi-death game or because he simply decided not to gives us clues as to who killed who.

Going by this, hatmoza's bus driver theory is possible only if a SK/vigilante killed Final-Fan and whoever the Mafia targetted got switched with radish. The more likely event here is that everyone succeeded in killing who they wanted dead. This means radish's death was at the hands of either a vigilante or a serial killer.

In the case of a vigilante, it's kind of an irresponsible move to kill on the first night. It would have to be a new player or Wonk wanting to prove his theory from last game :P

That leaves the serial killer as the most probable option for radish's murder.


good point with A-B...though the same color death for less info could coincide with no AB for less info.

 

AND now that the cat is out of the bag.... Wonk what do you have to say for your defence?


That I have no role but you and trucks did do a nice job of making me a target for a nightkill. 



theprof00 on 17 March 2011
Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:

OTOH, outlawauron said hat didn't do anything at night, meaning auron is the tracker.

Hat couldn't have bussed himself with FF, because auron would then have tracked final-fan, and final-fan would definitely have gone out at night; cue him still wearing his night-vision goggles when found in the morning.


auron could also be a roleblocker no?

yes

"Other possibilities:

Hat was roleblocked, FF was killed because he was targeted/ or Hat's other target was a commuter, and couldn't properly bus the two, leaving FF exposed."



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A Bad Clown on 17 March 2011
theprof00 said:
A Bad Clown said:

Wait, Radish couldn't have been bussed, he's a mafia goon. In any case only one of them could have died! If radish targeted a player and the bus driver switched it to final-fan, only final-fan would be dead!The only case would be if a non mafia player had a killing role, there has to be at least 1 personnot mafia who can kill others.

 

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Bus_Driver

That doesn't make sense. Radish can be bussed. Mafia can be bussed.

The point is, Hat can't possibly have known that it was FF who was bussed and not Radish.

Look at the options.
BUSSED PAIR:
FF and someone else; Hat knows this because he is the killer and went to kill somebody else. FALSE. Hat's victim could have been bussed with Radish. He is too sure about FF being bussed for this to have happened. Hat's not the killer.

FF and someone else. Hat knows this because he is the busser and switched FF with someone else. He could not have switched FF with Radish.

 

Other possibilities:

Hat was roleblocked, FF was killed because he was targeted/ or Hat's other target was a commuter, and couldn't properly bus the two, leaving FF exposed.

As in if two people were killed in one night, one non mafia player has killing powers. Where else could the other kill have come from?



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hatmoza on 17 March 2011
TruckOSaurus said:
hatmoza said:

Wrong. Whoever killed Final-Fan did not do it intentionally. Radish's killer successfully targeted Radish. In this case it was either the opposing mafia faction or the SK. However, in F-F's case, he was not the initial target, nor was he meant to be targeted and killed. He was bussed by the person who was supposed to get killed.

The busser knows this, and the killer knows this.

Which one are you?

Neither!



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

theprof00 on 17 March 2011
hatmoza said:

Ok, I think I'm up to speed with the game now.

Because my character is bad, but I'm pro-town. And I know how crazy you guys get with the character vs role alignment discussions.

that's pretty much debunked now.

So if you could stop being vague about everything, that'd be great.

It's starting to be an M.Night Shaymalan game.

BUT THEN THAT WOULD MEAN I'M THE GHOST OF THAT DEAD TREE IN YOUR BACKYARD!!!



Wonktonodi on 17 March 2011
hatmoza said:
Wonktonodi said:
hatmoza said:
Gnizmo said:

Oh to hell with it. I am Jaina Proudmoore, and pro-town. She is the leader of the Aliance, and the one who helped broker a peace deal with the Orcs ended an unbelievably long and bloody war. Obviously good.

Medivh has a colorful past, but we will focus on the most recent entries for this purpose. Recently was essentially incoproreal, but managed to watch and save pretty much every living thing on Azeroth. Mostly through watching and warning people. Obviously good, and fits his role.

Onyxia is daughter od Neltharion the Destroyer aka Deathwing. Onyxia's work has centered around corrupting, and controlling the capital of the Alliance mostly intending to slaughter and enslave all life. Works for her father. Essentially taking orders and acting as his "goon." Obviously bad, and fits the role.

3 for 3 for alignment. Role will be dubious  as I won't claim that as yet, but this should be enough to convince some people here. Anyone who feels like character name dropping can prove the point further, or demonstrate this as an odd coincidence. 3 makes a pattern for me though.

You know, I could have roleclaimed already with my awesome cool role, but i chose not to, for the sake of the game -_-

so you admit to having a role but just don't say what it is?  How does that really help since you have stated so much info as fact and someone else says that you did nothing last night?

Ok, I think I'm up to speed with the game now.

Because my character is bad, but I'm pro-town. And I know how crazy you guys get with the character vs role alignment discussions.


I mean power role not cosplay character.

Linkzmax said:

Woot. Just finished up role PMs.(Obviously they aren't sent yet) I'm quite excited to kick things off, but I want to write out my day opener first, so it's going to wait until after I sleep and get home from work tomorrow.

As a teaser, it's going to be a cosplay party. This allowed me to choose a theme to draw names from, without having to keep the flavor tied too closely to the source. It'll be far easier to write up generic(though hopefully creative) death scenes, than to try to "stick to the script" or note the differences from it. Also, there shouldn't be any worry about name claims being exploited. Townies are both "good" and "bad" and scum have safe names anyway. I'm not saying name claims shouldn't be used,(nor will it be penalized) but "meta" names at your own risk. Additionally, the content of vanilla(which also have unique names) townies' role PMs will be disclosed to prevent any exploitation through specific wordage.

I hope you guys enjoy, and a pre-thanks to theRepublic for help with balance.

Hopefully this will stop the theory that all the characters match the players roll. So tell us why you say you know what you do? You are only part of it the info you give could help. Since you have claimed a protown role you might just die tonight anyway and that would leave us without any info.



Wonktonodi on 17 March 2011
hatmoza said:
TruckOSaurus said:
hatmoza said:

Wrong. Whoever killed Final-Fan did not do it intentionally. Radish's killer successfully targeted Radish. In this case it was either the opposing mafia faction or the SK. However, in F-F's case, he was not the initial target, nor was he meant to be targeted and killed. He was bussed by the person who was supposed to get killed.

The busser knows this, and the killer knows this.

Which one are you?

Neither!


So how do you know this then?