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hatmoza said:

No need for your deep theories on this one, the bussdriver caused F-F's premature departure.


Well I have no objections to whoever could "the bus driver" switching targets >.>



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hatmoza said:
TruckOSaurus said:

Now on to the aftermath of last night. It's been a while since we had two deaths in a night.

Two options have been brought forward by other players:

- Two Mafia factions: I'm not inclined to believe this one because of the size of the game and the fact that theRepublic has helped balanced this game (I'm pretty sure he would have objected to this) and also because I believe radish would have been labelled Mafia A or B in the OP.
- Linkzmax puts all deaths in the same color: I'd put my money on this option. Whether because Linkz has never been in a multi-death game or because he simply decided not to gives us clues as to who killed who.

Going by this, hatmoza's bus driver theory is possible only if a SK/vigilante killed Final-Fan and whoever the Mafia targetted got switched with radish. The more likely event here is that everyone succeeded in killing who they wanted dead. This means radish's death was at the hands of either a vigilante or a serial killer.

In the case of a vigilante, it's kind of an irresponsible move to kill on the first night. It would have to be a new player or Wonk wanting to prove his theory from last game :P

That leaves the serial killer as the most probable option for radish's murder.

Wrong. Whoever killed Final-Fan did not do it intentionally. Radish's killer successfully targeted Radish. In this case it was either the opposing mafia faction or the SK. However, in F-F's case, he was not the initial target, nor was he meant to be targeted and killed. He was bussed by the person who was supposed to get killed.

The busser knows this, and the killer knows this.

Which one are you?



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hatmoza said:
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Here's my theory, although, I think it's a little improbable.

I think FF was either killed by the SK or by some trap-mafia-role. Read his flavor. Bound at the arms and killed with a coathanger in a really disturbing way (so that he still looked alive).  That sounds like SK to me.

I believe radish was sent out for the night-kill and something got him. A bodyguard or something of that nature, I really don't know.

 

My alternate theory:

vigilante killed radish, and mafia killed ff.

 

 

Also, mafia goon suggests a mafia godfather.

No need for your deep theories on this one, the bussdriver caused F-F's premature departure.

I don't know why you're being intentionally vague about this if you're going to counter my arguments.

Why is your explanation contrary to my SK killing FF idea? A bus driver could easily have bussed an SK, or perhaps vig. But you saying that the busser caused ff's death makes me think that either you are the busser or you are the killer (claiming vig). However, the latter doesn't make any sense as it doesn't explain why you're ignoring the possibility of the kill being bussed to Radish.

Since you deny that possibility, it can only mean that you are the busser. Secondly, that means either a vig or SK or second faction killed radish because it's not possible that their kill was bussed, and mafia were targeting someone else (you?).

Who did you bus?



TruckOSaurus said:
hatmoza said:

Wrong. Whoever killed Final-Fan did not do it intentionally. Radish's killer successfully targeted Radish. In this case it was either the opposing mafia faction or the SK. However, in F-F's case, he was not the initial target, nor was he meant to be targeted and killed. He was bussed by the person who was supposed to get killed.

The busser knows this, and the killer knows this.

Which one are you?

I'm thinking he's the bus driver, if he was bluffing he'd easily be targeted by the real bus driver tonight.



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in theory he is neither. outlaw has implied he was home last night. either outlaw is lying, or hat is over stating his case



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Gnizmo said:
Hephaestos said:


I find FF's death an lot more troublesome to make sense of.... I didn't notice anything particular besides his interaction with me, and that was based on a rather simple principle so not really telling, moreover, if the aim was to frame me, Dsister would have been a better target....


Final-fan's death is quite simple to explain. He has a tendency to win when he survives. At least at last I saw. Hell I know whenever I was scum he was automagically on the top of my hit list. Before anyone jumps on that I assure you he wouldn't be on the top of my list this game. I can think of at least one person who would go first regardless.

Not really, F-F has a tendency to live for most of the game, if not to the bitter end because the scum don't necessarily feel the need to remove him as a threat. Not saying he's not threatening (ok maybe he's not the player he used to be).  Scum and town alike love keeping him around. Proof of that is him being lynch only once in his twenty something games of playing mafia.

So basically I disagree with that post.

I only recall one other game where he died so early. And like I already mentioned, he wasn't intentionally killed.



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Linkzmax said:

Two announcements:

1) Without giving any hints as to the setup of the game, I am intentionally witholding information by wording both kills as "murdered" and having them both red in the OP. It is up to everyone to figure out who/what killed whom and why.

2) I have yet to see this on VGC, so I may catch some flak for this. I'm allowing radish to continue posting to his scummate(s), including posts during the day. His scummate(s) still cannot talk during the day though. Obviously radish was not given a link to the dead quicktopic.(Where people go to continue "playing" on the sidelines)

I strongly disagree with 2. Dead player is dead. Move on and let the survivors do their thing.



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ah, so either hat or outlaw are lying.



Referring to WOW characters/alignment discussion:

I have zero knowledge of this, so I can be easily influenced by the input of those of you who are familiar with the game.



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Wait, Radish couldn't have been bussed, he's a mafia goon. In any case only one of them could have died! If radish targeted a player and the bus driver switched it to final-fan, only final-fan would be dead!The only case would be if a non mafia player had a killing role, there has to be at least 1 personnot mafia who can kill others.

 

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Bus_Driver



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