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TruckOSaurus said:

Now on to the aftermath of last night. It's been a while since we had two deaths in a night.

Two options have been brought forward by other players:

- Two Mafia factions: I'm not inclined to believe this one because of the size of the game and the fact that theRepublic has helped balanced this game (I'm pretty sure he would have objected to this) and also because I believe radish would have been labelled Mafia A or B in the OP.
- Linkzmax puts all deaths in the same color: I'd put my money on this option. Whether because Linkz has never been in a multi-death game or because he simply decided not to gives us clues as to who killed who.

Going by this, hatmoza's bus driver theory is possible only if a SK/vigilante killed Final-Fan and whoever the Mafia targetted got switched with radish. The more likely event here is that everyone succeeded in killing who they wanted dead. This means radish's death was at the hands of either a vigilante or a serial killer.

In the case of a vigilante, it's kind of an irresponsible move to kill on the first night. It would have to be a new player or Wonk wanting to prove his theory from last game :P

That leaves the serial killer as the most probable option for radish's murder.


good point with A-B...though the same color death for less info could coincide with no AB for less info.

 

AND now that the cat is out of the bag.... Wonk what do you have to say for your defence?



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darthdevidem01 said:

I am a vanilla townie called Kel Thuzad...so basically DOCTOR of town DO NOT PROTECT ME AS I HAVE NO SPECIAL POWERS.


Kel Thuzad? The evil Lich who was raised in order to cause massive death and destruction? The thing responsible for the destruction of multiple cities, and countless lives while living and dead? In a game that has name linked to faction? Ueah, I am going to believe this. My name and alignment match just like the two dead people. Their roles even match up with what they should be (which really leaves me annoyed on my character/role match-up but that is a rant for when I role claim).

Here is where it could get funky. This is obviously not a vanilla game, and you are undead. Healing would, naturally, kill you. There is a very tiny risk the doctor would randomly save you if you are a townie and thus no reason to even attempt to avert it. Yet here you are trying it. All of that mashes up into a not very nice picture of you. So unless a few other people can come out and say their role and faction don't match up I am going to just stick by a vote for you. 3 is a pattern as they say, and the pattern says you are scum.

Vote: darthdevidm



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Hephaestos said:


I find FF's death an lot more troublesome to make sense of.... I didn't notice anything particular besides his interaction with me, and that was based on a rather simple principle so not really telling, moreover, if the aim was to frame me, Dsister would have been a better target....


Final-fan's death is quite simple to explain. He has a tendency to win when he survives. At least at last I saw. Hell I know whenever I was scum he was automagically on the top of my hit list. Before anyone jumps on that I assure you he wouldn't be on the top of my list this game. I can think of at least one person who would go first regardless.



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Hephaestos said:

oh and HoS MG

notably for analysing only Radish's death (and something else that i might use later)

and for the little Bussdriver discution with hat (FoS Hat, though dependent on MG)

I was gonna look more into ff post but I wanted to do mafia first, then it being 1 in the moning I got tired and went to sleep.



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Two announcements:

1) Without giving any hints as to the setup of the game, I am intentionally witholding information by wording both kills as "murdered" and having them both red in the OP. It is up to everyone to figure out who/what killed whom and why.

2) I have yet to see this on VGC, so I may catch some flak for this. I'm allowing radish to continue posting to his scummate(s), including posts during the day. His scummate(s) still cannot talk during the day though. Obviously radish was not given a link to the dead quicktopic.(Where people go to continue "playing" on the sidelines)



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Gnizmo said:
darthdevidem01 said:

I am a vanilla townie called Kel Thuzad...so basically DOCTOR of town DO NOT PROTECT ME AS I HAVE NO SPECIAL POWERS.


Kel Thuzad? The evil Lich who was raised in order to cause massive death and destruction? The thing responsible for the destruction of multiple cities, and countless lives while living and dead? In a game that has name linked to faction? Ueah, I am going to believe this. My name and alignment match just like the two dead people. Their roles even match up with what they should be (which really leaves me annoyed on my character/role match-up but that is a rant for when I role claim).

Here is where it could get funky. This is obviously not a vanilla game, and you are undead. Healing would, naturally, kill you. There is a very tiny risk the doctor would randomly save you if you are a townie and thus no reason to even attempt to avert it. Yet here you are trying it. All of that mashes up into a not very nice picture of you. So unless a few other people can come out and say their role and faction don't match up I am going to just stick by a vote for you. 3 is a pattern as they say, and the pattern says you are scum.

Vote: darthdevidm

This, is oddly convincing, though I have to bring up the fact that we are cosplayers, not actually our characters.

Maybe it means he is allergic to penicillin or something? I have no idea. But I do know that he cannot be a townie AND killed by doctor, because he said he was against lying as a townie, adn this would be an obvious half-truth.

I have to say I find it very interesting that Darth would come out and claim. There must be some reason for it because otherwise it just looks like a dumb move that gives the mafia too much information. Your analysis seems to be the best solution, yet...



Linkzmax said:

Two announcements:

1) Without giving any hints as to the setup of the game, I am intentionally witholding information by wording both kills as "murdered" and having them both red in the OP. It is up to everyone to figure out who/what killed whom and why.

2) I have yet to see this on VGC, so I may catch some flak for this. I'm allowing radish to continue posting to his scummate(s), including posts during the day. His scummate(s) still cannot talk during the day though. Obviously radish was not given a link to the dead quicktopic.(Where people go to continue "playing" on the sidelines)

appreciated. I think both are interesting.



Linkzmax said:

Two announcements:

1) Without giving any hints as to the setup of the game, I am intentionally witholding information by wording both kills as "murdered" and having them both red in the OP. It is up to everyone to figure out who/what killed whom and why.

2) I have yet to see this on VGC, so I may catch some flak for this. I'm allowing radish to continue posting to his scummate(s), including posts during the day. His scummate(s) still cannot talk during the day though. Obviously radish was not given a link to the dead quicktopic.(Where people go to continue "playing" on the sidelines)

Thank you for this precision.

Now, the Mafia A and B theory seems a bit more possible.

About #2, I'm not liking it very much. One of the strengths of the Mafia is that they benefit from many points of view to make their decision and guide their actions. Apart from the obvious benefits of having a Mafia dead, another reward for the town was that the Mafia had one less mind to plan their evil schemes.



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Linkzmax said:

Two announcements:

1) Without giving any hints as to the setup of the game, I am intentionally witholding information by wording both kills as "murdered" and having them both red in the OP. It is up to everyone to figure out who/what killed whom and why.

2) I have yet to see this on VGC, so I may catch some flak for this. I'm allowing radish to continue posting to his scummate(s), including posts during the day. His scummate(s) still cannot talk during the day though. Obviously radish was not given a link to the dead quicktopic.(Where people go to continue "playing" on the sidelines)

1) ok

2) umh... i guess it's ok as radish has never so far come up with a master plan to rule the world, but if it were a dead Hatmoza or Proff, i'd be weary of that new rule... they could pupeteer the whole mafia team ^^



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editted text back into this ghost post;

I believe radish slipped when he mentioned THE sibling. Every time he mentioned A sibling, he said THE sibling.

"Are you THE sibling"- "I'm not THE other sibling"

I'm surprised I missed this. In the off chance that there actually IS a sibling in the mafia, I first of all doubt that the townie version would know his sibling, but that the mafia would know the townie. So, I am going to go back and look at people radish defended, as well as other players that were defended. (But mainly radish in particular since I know he's mafia)

And yes, this does imply that I'm willing to lynch a sibling townie.