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theprof00 on 30 March 2011
TruckOSaurus said:
theprof00 said:

oh wow, several of my posts are missing.

Ok, to start with trucks:

I'm sorry if I appeared to be "beating aroudn the bush", that was not my intention. Rather, i was responding to your CONtention, that,

"I don't believe you think MG is the Serial Killer because if you really did believe it then you'd be lynching him right now (however convinced you are of my scuminess) since it reduces the number of deaths per night."

I posted links to prove that your assertion is untrue. 

However, my first response to you was that, "I said exactly that I believed mg is the Sk at the start of the day". Because I use evidence in my posts, I then posted them. Your response to that comment was, "what changed between..."

So, I was not ignoring that question, but just posting the recap of what happened. So far, that makes you wrong about me "not thinking that mg is the sk".

Now, to respond to "what changed";

You put abc at L-1. 

I wanted MG to get lynched and actually asked everyone to reevaluate the situation given the MG is a very probable SK and could save us a night-kill, and you pushed your own agenda anyway. I heavily heavily heavily disagreed with your vote, and while I had only an inkling that you were scum at first, your vote was a major deciding factor in reviewing all of your posts.

I came to the conclusion that people didn't want to vote MG. Fine. Let's see if they'll vote for you, trucks.

That's what happened.

So you're the only one who can push his own agenda?

Also, if you wanted to make a real case for MetalGear, you could have easily done it, sure you had less material to twist around but with your fantastic imagination I'm sure you could have done it!

I really enjoy this trucks. I will especially enjoy it when you flip scum.



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Wonktonodi on 30 March 2011
theprof00 said:
theprof00 said:
TruckOSaurus said:
theprof00 said:

Yaknow, I'm just gunna vote MG

I think he's the SK, can't say for sure, but I'm pretty confident.

I also think that there might only be one mafia left.

 

Vote: MG

What points you to SK more than Mafia for MetalGear? Do you think he had reasons to want Gnizmo dead?

because, like I said earlier, it seems like a lot of the people who turned up scum were looking to lynch MG. I believe notstan tried to push a lynch for him, as well as dsis.

I think maybe they pushed for MG because they thought he was a lynchable target, not because he was mafia, but because he was suspicious to them. Maybe I'm not explaining correctly... if there is an SK and a scum, it makes sense that in this scenario, even if indirectly, scum are scumhunting for the SK, even if they don't realize it.




Thats not really a strong reason for MG to be an SK though. What other reasons make you thin he's the SK over anyone else?



theprof00 on 30 March 2011

Also, about "so your the only one who can push an agenda".

Not at all.

I let people carry on with what they're doing all the time. Like just recently when I told abc to focus and he said "wait for it". I let him. I waited. This happens so much in the game where I don' completely agree with something, but allow it to carry on A CERTAIN DISTANCE before I intervene.

Your case was "a certain distance" too far. You were L-1 voter; the lynch pin. It's a big difference.

I'll let something play out, but when it plays out too far, that something needs to cool off.



Baalzamon on 30 March 2011
theprof00 said:
Baalzamon said:

 

1) Prof puts out an HoS on Wonk.  Vette thinks MetalGear is a good target for next mafia since NotStan put that name out there.  Wonk puts out a vote on prof for his reaction to dsis being scum.

2) Notable: Something that has come to my mind.  Outlaw seemed to vaguely make it known that Wonk was protected by hatmoza, and Wonk seems to want to play along with this theory.  If this did indeed happen, it would mean that dsister targeted Wonk, meaning he couldn’t possibly be a member of the mafia.  So I just thought I’d ask…what are the odds that outlaw and wonk are working together with this, outlaw acting like somebody who can see actions, when he is in fact a mafia.  Outlaw then uses this knowledge to protect Wonk, who is potentially another mafia member.  This is just an idea, and while it seems far stretched, it would be a pretty genius plan if they did implement it.  Also thought I would mention that outlaw claims this choice was random.org’d, so take out of that what you wish.

3) Prof puts an HoS on trucks for this plus some evidence ABC put against trucks.  Prof eventually says the following:

4) “An absence of evidence sometimes implies purposeful omission of said evidence”.  The reason I mention this is then prof goes on to provide a “mountain” of evidence against trucks…just seems like a rather large change…accusing of mafia based on lack of evidence goes to accusing of mafia based on loads of evidence. 

 5)Prof unvotes and puts a vote on trucks returning suspicion with accusation for a second time.  Eventually, after trucks keeps pushing a question on prof, prof decides to chronicle trucks posts, saying there is mountains of evidence against him.  

6) Something that I just noticed (and made a post of) is that prof mentions how MetalGear finally agrees with lynching lurkers, despite previously believing they are just as likely to be town.  So what is to stop MetalGear from saying this simply as a mafia so he can get lurking townies voted out?  ABC becomes cautious of prof for his push, and puts a vote on him.  ABC asks why he isn’t being targeted anymore.  ABC unvotes, says he will vote tonight.  Outlaw says he will be voting after my summary.

 

Hey, Baal.

I just wanted to say how much I enjoy your recaps. They are very concise and legible and just so durn convenient. Thank you.

Now, here are 6 comments based on the 6 issues I have with the outline.

1)I HoSed wonk for what I saw as wanting to be the mafia target. Also, wonk had three reasons IIRC to go after me. I think my reaction to dsis was a minor reason out of the three.

2) Town watcher is, nearly 99% of the time, coupled with town tracker. I've never seen them independently of the other. As such, in a game where a watcher is present, it is near suicide for a mafia to fake-claim tracker, as it's very very likely that there is a town tracker. He would have to have balls of steel, and with all his cryptic-ness, I don't think that is the case :P

3) I HOSed trucks for his vote on abc as well as those other reasons IIRC

4) I said that quote in response to Outlaw. Outlaw said he didn't see any evidence pointing toward guilt. I was pointing out that that in itself was evidence. I believe there was evidence, but I can also understand that other people have differing points of view/criteria for what is evidence. In teh case that he has a higher threshhold for what evidence should constitute, the fact that trucks doesn't have any, could be as good an indicator as any.

5) That line should say "FOR returning suspicion with accusation". As it says now, it looks like you're saying that I was returning suspicion for accusation.

6) Somewhere in this thread, there is a post that says something like, "MG said he let someone borrow his laptop". Normally, this is not an issue. However, this quote was said BEFORE MG actually said anything about it in the thread. Therefore, whoever said this quote has insider contact with MG. It doesn't make them automatically mafia, as it could come from wall-to-wall convo's or PMs, but it was something that caught my eye. I truly forget where I saw it, and I seemed to have lost it since realizing it later, but I believe it does exist, so I will try and hunt it down.

Yea, I'm prone to have some mistakes in them, and I thank you for pointing those out, as I'm not intending on misinformation getting out there.  Also, you damned well better enjoy those posts, because they take me several hours to make, lol, and I would be slightly upset if I determine nobody pays any heed to them



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TruckOSaurus on 30 March 2011

Let me end it now. This game has been standing still for way too long.

I'm not Malfurion Stormrage, I'm his very evil brother Illidan and evil I am.

Now you may be thinking "prof was right!" Well you're wrong because all the Mafia connections prof brought forward are very much all in his head.

I'm not Mafia, I'm a Serial Killer (kudos to Vetteman and Heph who were on the right track). I don't know who the Mafia is and I've been actively looking for them as part of my game plan since I needed to reduce their numbers if I ever wanted to have a chance of winning.

Now since prof is so keen on "tells", his insistance on framing me as Mafia "tells" me he's a cop with a guilty investigation on me (because I do scan guilty, although I would have chosen to scan innocent if I could) and that he was trying to get me lynched without having to roleclaim.



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theprof00 on 30 March 2011
Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:
theprof00 said:
TruckOSaurus said:
theprof00 said:

Yaknow, I'm just gunna vote MG

I think he's the SK, can't say for sure, but I'm pretty confident.

I also think that there might only be one mafia left.

 

Vote: MG

What points you to SK more than Mafia for MetalGear? Do you think he had reasons to want Gnizmo dead? 

because, like I said earlier, it seems like a lot of the people who turned up scum were looking to lynch MG. I believe notstan tried to push a lynch for him, as well as dsis.

I think maybe they pushed for MG because they thought he was a lynchable target, not because he was mafia, but because he was suspicious to them. Maybe I'm not explaining correctly... if there is an SK and a scum, it makes sense that in this scenario, even if indirectly, scum are scumhunting for the SK, even if they don't realize it.




Thats not really a strong reason for MG to be an SK though. What other reasons make you thin he's the SK over anyone else?

There is no good indicator for who the sk is. It's one of the hardest to find.

The only real chance is someone who acts like a mafia, but doesn't have any ties to any of the other mafia. Someone who plays it safe, is cautious, doesn't make any enemies, etc.

I know it may seem like I'm moving goal posts around to fit my reasoning, but I'd ask the same question of you. What makes someone an sk rather than a mafia?

 

I ask you this question because I believe that I know the answer, and that you don't.



Wonktonodi on 30 March 2011

question time!

Heph if you theory has MG as a sibling why not vote him?

Prof you say you wanted MG lynched more than trucks but you put in crap effort into that compared to what you are trying to do with trucks. Ss why not try pushing Mg?

Vette you don't really seem to care much either way why not Mg?

Trucks you have thought Mg was a problem for a while why not him over ABC?

ABC you were at L1 you can do whatever

Outlaw take a stand make a vote

MG you were lurking before the computer problems and you yourself agree to lynch lurkers they are usually scum. So don't take it personal

With this I think I have passed FF for most vote switches in a day :P

UNVOTE

Vote: MG



theprof00 on 30 March 2011
TruckOSaurus said:

Let me end it now. This game has been standing still for way too long.

I'm not Malfurion Stormrage, I'm his very evil brother Illidan and evil I am.

Now you may be thinking "prof was right!" Well you're wrong because all the Mafia connections prof brought forward are very much all in his head.

I'm not Mafia, I'm a Serial Killer (kudos to Vetteman and Heph who were on the right track). I don't know who the Mafia is and I've been actively looking for them as part of my game plan since I needed to reduce their numbers if I ever wanted to have a chance of winning.

Now since prof is so keen on "tells", his insistance on framing me as Mafia "tells" me he's a cop with a guilty investigation on me (because I do scan guilty, although I would have chosen to scan innocent if I could) and that he was trying to get me lynched without having to roleclaim.

haha i fucking KNEW IT!



TruckOSaurus on 30 March 2011
theprof00 said:
TruckOSaurus said:

Let me end it now. This game has been standing still for way too long.

I'm not Malfurion Stormrage, I'm his very evil brother Illidan and evil I am.

Now you may be thinking "prof was right!" Well you're wrong because all the Mafia connections prof brought forward are very much all in his head.

I'm not Mafia, I'm a Serial Killer (kudos to Vetteman and Heph who were on the right track). I don't know who the Mafia is and I've been actively looking for them as part of my game plan since I needed to reduce their numbers if I ever wanted to have a chance of winning.

Now since prof is so keen on "tells", his insistance on framing me as Mafia "tells" me he's a cop with a guilty investigation on me (because I do scan guilty, although I would have chosen to scan innocent if I could) and that he was trying to get me lynched without having to roleclaim.

haha i fucking KNEW IT!

Yeah right, you totally knew I was SK.



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Wonktonodi on 30 March 2011
TruckOSaurus said:

Let me end it now. This game has been standing still for way too long.

I'm not Malfurion Stormrage, I'm his very evil brother Illidan and evil I am.

Now you may be thinking "prof was right!" Well you're wrong because all the Mafia connections prof brought forward are very much all in his head.

I'm not Mafia, I'm a Serial Killer (kudos to Vetteman and Heph who were on the right track). I don't know who the Mafia is and I've been actively looking for them as part of my game plan since I needed to reduce their numbers if I ever wanted to have a chance of winning.

Now since prof is so keen on "tells", his insistance on framing me as Mafia "tells" me he's a cop with a guilty investigation on me (because I do scan guilty, although I would have chosen to scan innocent if I could) and that he was trying to get me lynched without having to roleclaim.


well that ruins my last post.

Unvote

Vote: Trucks