Beating around the bush much? I'll ask again:

What has changed during the day that makes lynching a (supposed) Mafia member more important than lynching a Serial Killer?

possible, but I'd have to go back and see if he specifically mentions any names. I know some people talked about people who were missing, and IIRC, notstan specifically singled out darth, and someone retorted (maybe vette), "why specifically darth when there's 4 people missing".

I'd have to go back and check. It's a lead, but, who knows?

Thank you for bringing that up though, I hadn't looked at it that way.

Similar to my past summaries, I will try to split this into sections of sorts, as (for me anyways), it helps a lot to make it an overall easier read, as well as providing others with an easy way to find what they may be looking for if they want to reference it.  Note that not all stuff is necessarily in the order that it occurred.  Certain things seemed to work better if I went back and added them to that portion.

Day 3 Summary

Storyline: Something noticeable that several people have since mentioned is the “For the dragonflight!”  I’m not completely familiar with my warcraft lore, so I looked up a little bit.  Based on what others were mentioning, they talk about 3 of the dead mafia being from the “black” color, and 2 others still remain from that color.  If this means 5 mafia members, that seems rather high based on the percentages indicated earlier in the game, but could simply mean we have some other killing role involved.

For the deaths, I still don’t quite know what to make of them, and there still seems to be several theories flying around as to what other roles exist and/or whether there is another mafia group.  Something that may have changed events a little is that something apparently got random.org’d, and it was not made known what exactly this was.

Talk eventually starts about the following quote: "Impaled through his chest was a large blade, adorned with an animal painted on it that perhaps only Gnizmo himself would recognize."  ABC mentions some warcraft lore about arthas menethril and jaina proudmoore, and says perhaps the reason only Gnizmo would recognize it is he is the one with a lot of warcraft knowledge.

Day 3 Start: Heph puts an immediate vote out on ABC for being involved in the orange joke.  Wonk says he’d like to hear what outlaw saw last night, and once again, outlaw is very vague, and simply says he really likes hat.  He also indicated that this does NOT mean hat protected him, indicating that he did in fact track hat.  He then goes on to indicate that hat protected Wonk.  Prof believes based on the flavor that the mafia targeted hat, and somebody else targeted Gniz.  Prof puts out an HoS on Wonk.  Vette thinks MetalGear is a good target for next mafia since NotStan put that name out there.  Wonk puts out a vote on prof for his reaction to dsis being scum.

Notable: Something that has come to my mind.  Outlaw seemed to vaguely make it known that Wonk was protected by hatmoza, and Wonk seems to want to play along with this theory.  If this did indeed happen, it would mean that dsister targeted Wonk, meaning he couldn’t possibly be a member of the mafia.  So I just thought I’d ask…what are the odds that outlaw and wonk are working together with this, outlaw acting like somebody who can see actions, when he is in fact a mafia.  Outlaw then uses this knowledge to protect Wonk, who is potentially another mafia member.  This is just an idea, and while it seems far stretched, it would be a pretty genius plan if they did implement it.  Also thought I would mention that outlaw claims this choice was random.org’d, so take out of that what you wish.

Prof Trust List: Before mentioning the trust list itself, Vette puts out a vote for MetalGear based on the NotStan saying he would roleblock him.  Now, as for the trust list, prof decides to ask us what our trust list is.  Here’s the lists:

Prof: Outlaw, trucks, baal, vette, wonk, heph, abc, mg

Trucks: Strong town vibe from: prof, baal, vette; Neutral: outlaw, wonk, heph; Scum: ABC, MetalGear

Heph: Baal, Wonk, Vette, MetalGear, trucks, abc, prof, outlaw

Baal: MetalGear, ABC (for #7 and #8)

Baal full list: vette, trucks, prof, heph, outlaw, wonk, metalgear, abc

Vette: Truck, {prof, outlaw, baal, wonk, heph}, {abc, MetalGear}

Vette list 2: Outlaw, {baal, wonk}, {trucks, prof, heph}, {abc, mg}

Outlaw: Vette, Truck, Heph, prof, wonk, ABC, Baal, Metalgear

Wonk: {prof, mg, abc, heph},{vette, baal (unsure of this group)}, {outlaw, trucks (can’t say he trusts, but doesn’t want to lynch them today}

Heph puts an FoS on prof since that’s what he apparently usually does when people make lists.  During this time, prof also puts out a vote on MG as he thinks he’s the SK.  Prof puts an HoS on Baal for “delaying” the list.  I put my list out, but I would have rather had time to go through past posts.

Name Claim: Prof puts a post out mentioning name claims, as somebody asked, and they are:

Wonk= Archimonde the defiler

Vette= Arthas Menethil the lich king

Prof= Kil’jaeden

Baal= Tyrande Whisperwind

Heph= Akama

ABC= Thrall

Outlaw= Maiev Shadowsong

MetalGear= Uther the lightbringer

Trucks= Malfurion Stormrage

ABC: Heph soon puts a vote on ABC for slightly suspicious behavior with the 1337 talk.  Not long after, Wonk also unvotes and puts a vote out for ABC, and mentions he’d also be willing to go after MG.

Wonk Questions: During the time with the ABC votes popping up, Wonk decided to ask some questions:

1.) What are your thoughts on a metalgear lynch vs an abc lynch?

2.) Would you prefer someone else?

3.) Do you think there are any more power roles out there?

4.) Should they come out if they have any information?

5.) Alliance or Horde? (I’m not quite certain what this is asking, so will be leaving it out for responses.)

Prof answers:

1.) Not sure what to think between the two.

2.) Doesn’t mention

3.) He doesn’t think there are any more

4.) He says that if there are, they should keep quiet, unless it is a vig who can clear up the debate on what’s going on.

Heph answers:

1.) Uneasy on MG, but also seems cautious on ABC

2.) prof

3.) No, you should target outlaw tonight

4.) Says useful info is already out

Baal answers:

1.) Both pretty high on suspicion list, ABC higher

2.) Not particularly, but I mentioned there is some suspicion against outlaw

3.) Outlaw seems to be something significant, and hasn’t specifically role claimed, so nobody really knows for sure what he is yet.

4.) Only if their information is helpful to us…if it just leads to their death and they are a powerful role for town, its rather a waste.

I put out a vote for ABC as I was suspicious enough of him that I thought it was worthy.  Wonk also puts out a vote for a time limit.  Heph also votes for a time limit.

Parenting: Prof puts out the idea that trucks has been parenting the mafia.  Truck answers saying this is simply how he investigates.  Prof puts an HoS on trucks for this plus some evidence ABC put against trucks.  Prof eventually says the following: “An absence of evidence sometimes implies purposeful omission of said evidence”.  The reason I mention this is then prof goes on to provide a “mountain” of evidence against trucks…just seems like a rather large change…accusing of mafia based on lack of evidence goes to accusing of mafia based on loads of evidence.  Prof unvotes and puts a vote on trucks returning suspicion with accusation for a second time.  Eventually, after trucks keeps pushing a question on prof, prof decides to chronicle trucks posts, saying there is mountains of evidence against him.  ABC unvotes and votes for trucks, and also implements a theory saying that trucks (who he thinks is mafia) is the brother of MetalGear (who he thinks is a SK).  He also thinks one other mafia remains, and he mentions ABC.  During the push against trucks, Wonk also puts an HoS on Heph for avoiding a question of his.  Wonk then puts a vote on prof, as he believes that he is scum.  Vette unvotes and votes for trucks, as he is willing to see where it takes us.  Prof does agree with trucks eventually that the parenting is worthless, but the other evidence provided is still very incriminating.

Noteworthy: During this time, Trucks also puts out a vote on ABC for grasping at anything that makes Trucks look like scum.  Prof asks for a day summary, and says nobody hammer.  I asked if I should unvote because of this, and I do.  Wonk also takes his vote off (prior to my unvote).  After I unvoted, Wonk figured it was fine for him to vote for ABC again.  Vette says if he would have been here in time, he would have hammered ABC.  Heph mentions metalgears response to the original 3 questions saying lurkers should be killed, as they are usually mafia.  It just so happens that it is metalgears that is lurking (he claims his brother is using his computer…it seems weird that he would have absolutely no access to at least pop in occasionally and make a post though).  MetalGear name claims, as well as role claims a vanilla townie.  Outlaw also votes for a time limit, meaning a deadline IS in effect.  MG popped in randomly after a while of not posting, says he is not an sk or a siblings, thinks ABC is mafia, and puts a vote out for him.

Something that I just noticed (and made a post of) is that prof mentions how MetalGear finally agrees with lynching lurkers, despite previously believing they are just as likely to be town.  So what is to stop MetalGear from saying this simply as a mafia so he can get lurking townies voted out?  ABC becomes cautious of prof for his push, and puts a vote on him.  ABC asks why he isn’t being targeted anymore.  ABC unvotes, says he will vote tonight.  Outlaw says he will be voting after my summary.

The FoS and HoS listed are not cumulative (they are only from today)

Current votes (copied from theRepublic’s last post):

 [2,L-3] A Bad Clown: (Hephaestos), (Hephaestos), (Wonktonodi), (Baalzamon), TruckOSaurus, (Wonktonodi), MetalGear_94
[1,L-4] theprof00: (Wonktonodi), Wonktonodi, (A Bad Clown)
[0,L-5] MetalGear_94: (Vetteman94), (theprof00)
[3,L-2] TruckOSaurus: theprof00, Hephaestos, Vetteman94

Current HoS: Prof towards Wonk, prof towards Baalzamon, Prof towards trucks (eventually became a vote, Wonk towards Heph

Current FoS: Heph towards prof

A couple of things might not look like they are “finished”, but some things seem to get brought back up every so often, and then dropped again after a while, such as discussion on the storyline.

Ok, I'm heading off to school, so I can't post any more thoughts for a while, and I don't really want to put a vote out yet (as I don't want the day to end before I get home), but after reading through prof's push against trucks, it really is looking rather incriminating...so I'll HoS trucks.

Well I will give you my take on the situation,  nothing has really changed actually,  but there is a good possibility that you are the last mafia member.  And getting rid of the last mafia member has the same effect as getting rid of the Serial Killer.  Plus there is still the possibility that you are the Serial Killer.  Its not like MetalGear is the only possible suspect for that role. 

Well that's fine for you but that's not what prof believes.

He made his case on my supposed ties to Mafia members and while it's possible there's only one Mafia member left (not me BTW) you can't ignore the possibilty of 2 Mafia members left so if he really believes MG is the SK than he has no excuse for putting me as top priority.

oh wow, several of my posts are missing.

Ok, to start with trucks:

I'm sorry if I appeared to be "beating aroudn the bush", that was not my intention. Rather, i was responding to your CONtention, that,

"I don't believe you think MG is the Serial Killer because if you really did believe it then you'd be lynching him right now (however convinced you are of my scuminess) since it reduces the number of deaths per night."

I posted links to prove that your assertion is untrue. 

However, my first response to you was that, "I said exactly that I believed mg is the Sk at the start of the day". Because I use evidence in my posts, I then posted them. Your response to that comment was, "what changed between..."

So, I was not ignoring that question, but just posting the recap of what happened. So far, that makes you wrong about me "not thinking that mg is the sk".

Now, to respond to "what changed";

You put abc at L-1. 

I wanted MG to get lynched and actually asked everyone to reevaluate the situation given the MG is a very probable SK and could save us a night-kill, and you pushed your own agenda anyway. I heavily heavily heavily disagreed with your vote, and while I had only an inkling that you were scum at first, your vote was a major deciding factor in reviewing all of your posts.

I came to the conclusion that people didn't want to vote MG. Fine. Let's see if they'll vote for you, trucks.

That's what happened.

1. coudl be blending or town

2. does it more than you mg, outlaw and baal. So no not most.

3. Yeah and I trust people a bit more who wait to end days till people can have a say.

4. Blind trust is dangerous, other levels can be a tool like anything else. However if he and I got mosy the way to the end the trust I have in him would be more a reason to vote for him than no.

5. Value based on his level of participation and bringing up good points. finding flaws in other points.

6. No so I could kill him if need be. This isn't all about winning. Last game my team won but they killed me day one so didn't feel like a win to me. Two games ago my team lost yet I felt better about it. Mine is the only role I know so the longer I live the better chance I have of winning, if me valueing my life over anyone else makes me a non team player I don't really care.

So you're the only one who can push his own agenda?

Also, if you wanted to make a real case for MetalGear, you could have easily done it, sure you had less material to twist around but with your fantastic imagination I'm sure you could have done it!

Hey, Baal.

I just wanted to say how much I enjoy your recaps. They are very concise and legible and just so durn convenient. Thank you.

Now, here are 6 comments based on the 6 issues I have with the outline.

1)I HoSed wonk for what I saw as wanting to be the mafia target. Also, wonk had three reasons IIRC to go after me. I think my reaction to dsis was a minor reason out of the three.

2) Town watcher is, nearly 99% of the time, coupled with town tracker. I've never seen them independently of the other. As such, in a game where a watcher is present, it is near suicide for a mafia to fake-claim tracker, as it's very very likely that there is a town tracker. He would have to have balls of steel, and with all his cryptic-ness, I don't think that is the case :P

3) I HOSed trucks for his vote on abc as well as those other reasons IIRC

4) I said that quote in response to Outlaw. Outlaw said he didn't see any evidence pointing toward guilt. I was pointing out that that in itself was evidence. I believe there was evidence, but I can also understand that other people have differing points of view/criteria for what is evidence. In teh case that he has a higher threshhold for what evidence should constitute, the fact that trucks doesn't have any, could be as good an indicator as any.

5) That line should say "FOR returning suspicion with accusation". As it says now, it looks like you're saying that I was returning suspicion for accusation.

6) Somewhere in this thread, there is a post that says something like, "MG said he let someone borrow his laptop". Normally, this is not an issue. However, this quote was said BEFORE MG actually said anything about it in the thread. Therefore, whoever said this quote has insider contact with MG. It doesn't make them automatically mafia, as it could come from wall-to-wall convo's or PMs, but it was something that caught my eye. I truly forget where I saw it, and I seemed to have lost it since realizing it later, but I believe it does exist, so I will try and hunt it down.