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theprof00 on 30 March 2011
Wonktonodi said:
Vetteman94 said:
Wonktonodi said:

prof much of your arguments are dependent on MG being scum and prof being a player that would "parent" an entire mafia team.

Also did you not read the list I made just for you? Trucks is one of two people I would work against lynching today. You should have stuck with metal gear.


Why?  What has he done to deserve such an honor?


has the good cop approach that isn't insulting

asks questions answers questions

waited on hammering notstan

most players trust him

he seems more valuable alive than dead

plus to cover my bases if he is scum and buddying it might keep me save a little longer

 

Those are just about the worst reasons, wonk. You do realize, that once trucks flips mafia, and then I flip town, you will be next? Your kicking and screaming along the whole way to grandma's is not going to keep you alive longer.



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theprof00 on 30 March 2011
TruckOSaurus said:
Hephaestos said:
Wonktonodi said:

prof much of your arguments are dependent on MG being scum and prof being a player that would "parent" an entire mafia team.

Also did you not read the list I made just for you? Trucks is one of two people I would work against lynching today. You should have stuck with metal gear.

I read the arguments as Trucks pushing for MG's lynch without commiting himself, not as MG being his scum buddy.... That is the part of the argumentation that I find convincing.

That's a more valid point than anything prof has presented so far.

MetalGear falls into the same category as Darth, suspicious mostly because of lurking. I believe in lynching lurkers but It's hard to put out solid case against someone who doesn't post. For darth, his roleclaim out of the blue convinced me he was scum. For MetalGear, it's his quick vote on Day One that supports my suspicions on him but other than that I can't commit myself much further because there's nothing to analyze.

My argument.



TruckOSaurus on 30 March 2011
theprof00 said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Hephaestos said:
Wonktonodi said:

prof much of your arguments are dependent on MG being scum and prof being a player that would "parent" an entire mafia team.

Also did you not read the list I made just for you? Trucks is one of two people I would work against lynching today. You should have stuck with metal gear.

I read the arguments as Trucks pushing for MG's lynch without commiting himself, not as MG being his scum buddy.... That is the part of the argumentation that I find convincing.

That's a more valid point than anything prof has presented so far.

MetalGear falls into the same category as Darth, suspicious mostly because of lurking. I believe in lynching lurkers but It's hard to put out solid case against someone who doesn't post. For darth, his roleclaim out of the blue convinced me he was scum. For MetalGear, it's his quick vote on Day One that supports my suspicions on him but other than that I can't commit myself much further because there's nothing to analyze.

My argument.

That's not what you've been pushing so far, you've been hell bent on parenting and defend/attack.



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Baalzamon on 30 March 2011

Ok, working on the summary now.  I'm not totally certain it will be finished this morning, as I got started much later then intended because my stomach decided to make me feel like puking from 3AM on...I wish this shit would just go through me and be done with!!!!



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Vetteman94 on 30 March 2011
Wonktonodi said:
Vetteman94 said:
Wonktonodi said:

prof much of your arguments are dependent on MG being scum and prof being a player that would "parent" an entire mafia team.

Also did you not read the list I made just for you? Trucks is one of two people I would work against lynching today. You should have stuck with metal gear.


Why?  What has he done to deserve such an honor?

1. has the good cop approach that isn't insulting

2. asks questions answers questions

3. waited on hammering notstan

4. most players trust him

5. he seems more valuable alive than dead

6. plus to cover my bases if he is scum and buddying it might keep me save a little longer

1. So he is playing to the town, blending in with everyone, very common tactic

2. Most people do this as well, doesnt change anything.

3. So he waited on hammering a mafia?   And that adds to him being trustworthy?

4. Trust is dangerous in this game, especially when its for people that arent confirmed to be town.  Oddly enough I seem to be trusted by most as well and I am looking to have him lynched.

5. Value based on what?

6. So buddying up with a possible scum so it can save your own ass until he kills you in the end?   Are you sure you are playing this to win?  You arent the kinda pro-town player I want on my team.



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theprof00 on 30 March 2011
TruckOSaurus said:
theprof00 said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Hephaestos said:
Wonktonodi said:

prof much of your arguments are dependent on MG being scum and prof being a player that would "parent" an entire mafia team.

Also did you not read the list I made just for you? Trucks is one of two people I would work against lynching today. You should have stuck with metal gear.

I read the arguments as Trucks pushing for MG's lynch without commiting himself, not as MG being his scum buddy.... That is the part of the argumentation that I find convincing.

That's a more valid point than anything prof has presented so far.

MetalGear falls into the same category as Darth, suspicious mostly because of lurking. I believe in lynching lurkers but It's hard to put out solid case against someone who doesn't post. For darth, his roleclaim out of the blue convinced me he was scum. For MetalGear, it's his quick vote on Day One that supports my suspicions on him but other than that I can't commit myself much further because there's nothing to analyze.

My argument.

That's not what you've been pushing so far, you've been hell bent on parenting and defend/attack.

"He's been very cautious with every post. He never really says anything with determination. It's completely wishy-washy. Now, wonk, I know you'll say, "but you did that a couple times". Yes, a couple times. Trucks has done it 90% of the time."

"I read the arguments as Trucks pushing for MG's lynch without commiting himself"

 

TruckOSaurus said:
Baalzamon said:
Wonktonodi said:


Metal gear has been on the site much more recent than darth and has just stoped posting while darth hasn't been on the site at all in two days.

I know that, but I also thought one of metalgears first posts of the day was rather strange.  Radish was dead, and proven to be mafia, and metalgear immediately found it necessary to clear any and all relationships he had with radish (which were slim).  If I recall, he was the only one who thought it necessary to do this, but why was it so important to him to get unassociated with radish, when other people had conversed with him as well?

That's a very good point actually, Heph noted it here

Hephaestos said:

oh and HoS MG

notably for analysing only Radish's death (and something else that i might use later)

and for the little Bussdriver discution with hat (FoS Hat, though dependent on MG)

Maybe MG analyzed only radish's death because he knew full well what had happened to Final-Fan and also, like Baal says, because he wanted to disassociate himself from radish.

fomenting votes in MGs direction, both from Heph and Baal and in the post previously, myself.

That was one big post. I'll comment on the stats and come back to the noted posts later as needed.

NotStan and Baal are new players, which kinda forgives the lower ratio of content in their posts (to a certain extent). NotStan didn't make much of an impression on me so he's neutral to me right now but Baal did strike me as the perfect case of the paranoid townie new player on Day One.

I'm surprised by the amount of NC posts by Metal_Gear, did you count his posts when he was questionned about his quick vote as non-content? Also surprised at MG being the one with the most posts, history would indicate he's not scum since he lurks a lot when scum but then again he could be scum that has learned from his mistake.

says notstan is neutral, and defends baal. However, he specifically looks at MGs posts, saying MG is most suspicious. Does the thing he does again where he first defends a player and then implies suspicion on them. Keep in mind he has not done this tactic with ANY of the flipped mafia. This could be his tell.

TruckOSaurus said:

With him not posting anywhere else on the site, I'd wager it's not the case but since right now Metal_Gear is just as suspicious as darth to me, I'd be willing give darth a chance and switch my vote to MG.

Ready to switch vote to mg on my say.

 

By the way Wonk, those things truck is using as reasons? Those are called tells.



theprof00 on 30 March 2011
Vetteman94 said:
Wonktonodi said:
Vetteman94 said:
Wonktonodi said:

prof much of your arguments are dependent on MG being scum and prof being a player that would "parent" an entire mafia team.

Also did you not read the list I made just for you? Trucks is one of two people I would work against lynching today. You should have stuck with metal gear.


Why?  What has he done to deserve such an honor?

1. has the good cop approach that isn't insulting

2. asks questions answers questions

3. waited on hammering notstan

4. most players trust him

5. he seems more valuable alive than dead

6. plus to cover my bases if he is scum and buddying it might keep me save a little longer

1. So he is playing to the town, blending in with everyone, very common tactic

2. Most people do this as well, doesnt change anything.

3. So he waited on hammering a mafia?   And that adds to him being trustworthy?

4. Trust is dangerous in this game, especially when its for people that arent confirmed to be town.  Oddly enough I seem to be trusted by most as well and I am looking to have him lynched.

5. Value based on what?

6. So buddying up with a possible scum so it can save your own ass until he kills you in the end?   Are you sure you are playing this to win?  You arent the kinda pro-town player I want on my team.

everything I wanted to say, with half the sass I would've said it with.



TruckOSaurus on 30 March 2011
TruckOSaurus said:
theprof00 said:
TruckOSaurus said:

That's a more valid point than anything prof has presented so far.

MetalGear falls into the same category as Darth, suspicious mostly because of lurking. I believe in lynching lurkers but It's hard to put out solid case against someone who doesn't post. For darth, his roleclaim out of the blue convinced me he was scum. For MetalGear, it's his quick vote on Day One that supports my suspicions on him but other than that I can't commit myself much further because there's nothing to analyze.

My argument.

That's not what you've been pushing so far, you've been hell bent on parenting and defend/attack.

Let me rephrase then: Heph has managed to put the finger on the one argument of yours than actually holds some ground and that I'm willing to be prosecuted for as the rest is completely unfounded.

Now, instead of focusing on who brought the point forward (which in no way moves the conversation forward), you could instead reply to what I had to say about that particular accusation.



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theprof00 on 30 March 2011
Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:
Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:

I think it's safe to say that Baal is a townie. I've been rereading all his posts, and I don't get any scum vibe from him.

Despite the fact that he's been one of the most wishy-washy players I've seen in a game, and drawn more wrong conclusions than I'm comfortable with, I see these remarkable moments of clarity where that naivete seems to just disappear. It's possible that it's because he's just playing dumb as a mafia, but I'm, say, 75% confident that he is town. 

Unless he is some kind of super genius, I'm going with town.

YOU, on the other hand, have been drawing my attention recently. For better or worse, you're in my sights, Mr. Lich-King, aka mafia-godfather.


so it's ok as long as you ignore your tells??

actually i wrote that as ana excuse. When he claimed, he wrote X, TOWN VANILLA.

That is exact text from the pm. This made me think he was town.

However, I didn't want to bring it up directly because I didn't want him to be modkilled. 

Then, later, I noticed that that exact text was written by links in one of the first posts. I didn't bring it back up later, but I have been looking at him from time to time. In fact, during the look at trucks, he's popped out as one of the forefront suspects.

 

And wonk, you yourself said, "you haven't pissed me off yet, and scum usually piss me off, so I'm thinking you're town"

THAT IS A TELL. You can't undermine tells when everyone uses them! Everyone uses tells, but not everyone gives off the same tells. Look at poker. A tell in poker is when someone raises an eyebrow when they have a good hand. Not everybody does that, and some people know their own tell and play up to it to help them bluff.

Tells are not 100%, but they are good indicators. And trucks' tells are not universal. In fact, his defense/accuse tactic is the first time I've encountered it. BUT, he's done it with everyone except other mafia. With the other mafia he stops just before saying "HOWEVER, x,y,z makes me think they are suspicious". This is trucks' tell. His stance is changing from situation to situation in an ANONYMOUS game. His stance shouldn't be changing like that, and especially not in favour of scum.

I'm sorry you don't understand that, and I'm sorry for being mean. But you have a lot to learn, young padawan.

my tell was also sarcasm at you. you seem to go by only tells. One standard for you another for trucks. Also like I said you mention him doing one thing with scum but that can't hold true with anymore sr a scum team. (I will want to confirm since you very well could be wrong)

THAT IS SUCH A LIE!

 

03/25/11 06:37 GMT

So very interesting how riled up you're getting.


I forgot to adress the other points my apologies.

1 although yours wasn't as bad as ABC's comment it still rubbed me the wrong way.

"DSIS PROVES ME RIGHT ONCE AGAIN!

:P "

It feels like it could be fake, over the top and a bit too much hurray for me.

3. I'm not trying to insisted there are two families, I'm saying we can't disgard it. I agree with disgarding a vig since even if he got lucky once he should stop.

My point in three though had also been about you saying that me useing the term scum was one of the things wrong with my post.

Not really riled up. Two games ago Hat riled me up. Last game Linkz riled me up. You not so much. Hmm maybe you are town then since so far it's been scum who's riled me."

 

3/30/11 00:03 GMT

"Now you have me riled up and that also makes me think you are scum.  Good job."

 

 

You were legitimately using that as a tell. 

 

 

 



theprof00 on 30 March 2011
TruckOSaurus said:
TruckOSaurus said:
theprof00 said:
TruckOSaurus said:

That's a more valid point than anything prof has presented so far.

MetalGear falls into the same category as Darth, suspicious mostly because of lurking. I believe in lynching lurkers but It's hard to put out solid case against someone who doesn't post. For darth, his roleclaim out of the blue convinced me he was scum. For MetalGear, it's his quick vote on Day One that supports my suspicions on him but other than that I can't commit myself much further because there's nothing to analyze.

My argument.

That's not what you've been pushing so far, you've been hell bent on parenting and defend/attack.

Let me rephrase then: Heph has managed to put the finger on the one argument of yours than actually holds some ground and that I'm willing to be prosecuted for as the rest is completely unfounded.

Now, instead of focusing on who brought the point forward (which in no way moves the conversation forward), you could instead reply to what I had to say about that particular accusation.


I'm not arguing about who brought it forward. I'm arguing that you are doing everything to undermine me.

Additionally, I already said that I would be willing to lynch MG. I have no problems lynching him.