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Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:
Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:

Hatmoza: "If the person I Guard is killed, I'm also killed but I still kill them."

Mafia directly targeted Hatmoza


Ok. Is that how the role is listed in the wiki as well?

what does that matter?

It matters because if it was clearly there in that way I'd leave it at that. Since it isn't though I think there is possibilites that hat lied to make scum think they would still have their target killed. There is a possibility he said killed instead of targeted.

Actually I believe if a guardians target is targetted to be killed the Guardian would protect them from being killed and they would be killed themselves but also kill the person who targetted who the guardian was trying to protect.  Which I believe is what happened.  

It wouldnt make sense if the person that hatmoza guarded would also be killed as well,  kinda defeat the purpose of guarding someone. 



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TruckOSaurus said:

I've been racking my brain about the Gnizmo kill and I don't have much, other than:

- He was a pretty safe target for someone scared of hatmoza

- Him alluding to his role not being linked to his character could have misleaded scum to think he had a role and target him.

- random.org?

Maybe his knowledge of WoW scared someone into thinking they would be figured out



Wonktonodi said:

Vote: theprof00

1) For his reaction to dsis being scum. 2) His insintence that hat was the target. With how fast he came back with the hat quote after I told him how the flavor pointed one way looked planed to me.

3) For him saying that a SK or Vig killed gniz. Yet then saying a scum reading lore and dropping the Vig. Yet jumping on me for asking him a question that used scum.

4) Also for him taking the word of a hammerd scum as a way to make points.

1. What's wrong with my reaction?

2. The flavor is not on your side of the argument.

You said that based on the flavor showing hat talking a long time, it was him on his way to guard you! That is completely illogical, unfounded, and downright opportunistic. You WANT Hat to have guarded you.

The flavor is in my corner 10000%. Hat makes crazy comments, calls out the mafia to kill him, the mafia says, "you may be stronger, but I'll take you down with me". 

I dare anyone to say that I'm wrong. That was a direct challenge that was met. Nobody targeted you.

I found his quote quickly because I have all the pages open (a trick I learned from linkz last game) and all i had to do was Ctrl-F Find "gross" because Hat claimed Gross Hellscream, which was a glaring typo.

3. Again, this comment reeks of you knowing that there are two families. Why can't an SK or Vig kill? I never rhetorically questioned why the vig would kill gnizmo because there was nothing suspicious about him. A vig killing both Gnizmo last night, and radish the night before is VERY BAD PLAY for a vigilante. That is the work of someone whose own interests are their motivation. And sorry, I didn't realize I used the word scum. 

4. Ok, fine. I'll concede that point. 

 

So very interesting how riled up you're getting.



Vetteman94 said:

Actually I believe if a guardians target is targetted to be killed the Guardian would protect them from being killed and they would be killed themselves but also kill the person who targetted who the guardian was trying to protect.  Which I believe is what happened.  

It wouldnt make sense if the person that hatmoza guarded would also be killed as well,  kinda defeat the purpose of guarding someone. 

none of that matters, hat said what his role was and wonk is trying to argue that he himself was the one targeted. It doesn't matter what role he had. Why is he arguing, telling us what hat's role is!?



Vetteman94 said:
TruckOSaurus said:

I've been racking my brain about the Gnizmo kill and I don't have much, other than:

- He was a pretty safe target for someone scared of hatmoza

- Him alluding to his role not being linked to his character could have misleaded scum to think he had a role and target him.

- random.org?

Maybe his knowledge of WoW scared someone into thinking they would be figured out

Yeah, he mentionned having a huge knowledge of WoW but to kill for this reason Gnizmo's alignment theory would have to be true and with darth being town and having a evil name (Kel'Thuzad) we know this to not be true.



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theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:

Actually I believe if a guardians target is targetted to be killed the Guardian would protect them from being killed and they would be killed themselves but also kill the person who targetted who the guardian was trying to protect.  Which I believe is what happened.  

It wouldnt make sense if the person that hatmoza guarded would also be killed as well,  kinda defeat the purpose of guarding someone. 

none of that matters, hat said what his role was and wonk is trying to argue that he himself was the one targeted. It doesn't matter what role he had. Why is he arguing, telling us what hat's role is!?

I think hatmoza was exxagerating what role the role he had could do to scare off mafia from killing him directly. But even if he didnt, I still believe that Wonk was targetted as well, outlaw said that hatmoza protected Wonk.  Wonk being targetted would have the result ending up being one mafia dead and hatmoza dying from protecting Wonk.   Basically the exact result we got. 



Vetteman94 said:
theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:

Actually I believe if a guardians target is targetted to be killed the Guardian would protect them from being killed and they would be killed themselves but also kill the person who targetted who the guardian was trying to protect.  Which I believe is what happened.  

It wouldnt make sense if the person that hatmoza guarded would also be killed as well,  kinda defeat the purpose of guarding someone. 

none of that matters, hat said what his role was and wonk is trying to argue that he himself was the one targeted. It doesn't matter what role he had. Why is he arguing, telling us what hat's role is!?

I think hatmoza was exxagerating what role the role he had could do to scare off mafia from killing him directly. But even if he didnt, I still believe that Wonk was targetted as well, outlaw said that hatmoza protected Wonk.  Wonk being targetted would have the result ending up being one mafia dead and hatmoza dying from protecting Wonk.   Basically the exact result we got. 

sigh.. c'mon are you serious? 

Can I get some other input before I give this fight up?



TruckOSaurus said:
Vetteman94 said:
TruckOSaurus said:

I've been racking my brain about the Gnizmo kill and I don't have much, other than:

- He was a pretty safe target for someone scared of hatmoza

- Him alluding to his role not being linked to his character could have misleaded scum to think he had a role and target him.

- random.org?

Maybe his knowledge of WoW scared someone into thinking they would be figured out

Yeah, he mentionned having a huge knowledge of WoW but to kill for this reason Gnizmo's alignment theory would have to be true and with darth being town and having a evil name (Kel'Thuzad) we know this to not be true.

Maybe not that,  but maybe there is a character or 2 in WoW that could be singled out as being possibilities for a SK,  and if once people start to nameclaim he could point that out.  

Well It was just an idea I was throwing out there on top of yours anyway. 



theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:
theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:

Actually I believe if a guardians target is targetted to be killed the Guardian would protect them from being killed and they would be killed themselves but also kill the person who targetted who the guardian was trying to protect.  Which I believe is what happened.  

It wouldnt make sense if the person that hatmoza guarded would also be killed as well,  kinda defeat the purpose of guarding someone. 

none of that matters, hat said what his role was and wonk is trying to argue that he himself was the one targeted. It doesn't matter what role he had. Why is he arguing, telling us what hat's role is!?

I think hatmoza was exxagerating what role the role he had could do to scare off mafia from killing him directly. But even if he didnt, I still believe that Wonk was targetted as well, outlaw said that hatmoza protected Wonk.  Wonk being targetted would have the result ending up being one mafia dead and hatmoza dying from protecting Wonk.   Basically the exact result we got. 

sigh.. c'mon are you serious? 

Can I get some other input before I give this fight up?

Can you please explain what part of that seems implausible?



I don't get how anyone can conclude one way or the other.

We know hatmoza protected Wonk so:

If dsister targetted Wonk, we get a dead dsister and a dead hatmoza

If dsister targetted hatmoza, we get a dead dsister, and dead hatmoza

Same result.

Also, Wonk being the "targetted one" is relevant in only one instance: if there's only one big Mafia team because being targetted by the Mafia then proves you yourself are not Mafia. In the case of two families being "the targetted" doesn't absolve you from anything since you could be in the other team.

A town Wonk can't know what setup we've got against us right now so him caring about being "the targetted" points to him being a member of a big Mafia team.

(I sure hope I was clear, it all makes sense in my head but I'm not sure it translates well once written)



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