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Wonktonodi on 24 March 2011
theprof00 said:

Hatmoza: "If the person I Guard is killed, I'm also killed but I still kill them."

Mafia directly targeted Hatmoza


Ok. Is that how the role is listed in the wiki as well?



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theprof00 on 24 March 2011
Wonktonodi said:

The flavor has hat talking quite a bit before the "for the dragonflight" line. So it very well could be hat incecepting dsis on his way to kill me.

Also there is still the possibility of it being a second mafia faction. It could be that there was 3 and 3. Well have a better idea of that tomorrow. 

So you're saying if scum read the lore they would have thought Gniz was bluffing a could have a healing role and thus have been a target?

3 problems with your post.

Insistance that you are a target.

When notstan died, he referred to a "bombshell", making the point that he himself didn't know, and calling out the second kill using the key word "WHAT killed that guy". However, there is also the case that I've been calling out Dsis because of his insistence on there being 3 mafia. I don't know if you remember, but I brought it up several times. It IS possible that there is two mafia families, but I'm curious as to why you'd bring that up so ...insistently.

If scum read the lore. I said the SK or vig killed Gniz, not the scum. Judging by how you just said 3v3 is possible instead of SK, I'm starting to think you know that for sure. Anyway, I said that judging by Gniz' contributions etc, it wasn't the best decision to kill him. Perhaps they were afraid of targetting the wrong person and being killed by hat? Who knows? It just doesn't make sense to kill Gniz if you're mafia.

He said, "in these non-powered up games". Yet, it was shortly after that we found the watcher and tracker and guardian etc etc. Gniz was unpowered, or that's how it looked to me.



theprof00 on 24 March 2011
Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:

Hatmoza: "If the person I Guard is killed, I'm also killed but I still kill them."

Mafia directly targeted Hatmoza


Ok. Is that how the role is listed in the wiki as well?

what does that matter?



theprof00 on 24 March 2011

HoS wonk



Wonktonodi on 24 March 2011
theprof00 said:
Wonktonodi said:

The flavor has hat talking quite a bit before the "for the dragonflight" line. So it very well could be hat incecepting dsis on his way to kill me.

Also there is still the possibility of it being a second mafia faction. It could be that there was 3 and 3. Well have a better idea of that tomorrow. 

So you're saying if scum read the lore they would have thought Gniz was bluffing a could have a healing role and thus have been a target?

3 problems with your post.

1. Insistance that you are a target.

2. When notstan died, he referred to a "bombshell", making the point that he himself didn't know, and calling out the second kill using the key word "WHAT killed that guy". However, there is also the case that I've been calling out Dsis because of his insistence on there being 3 mafia. I don't know if you remember, but I brought it up several times. It IS possible that there is two mafia families, but I'm curious as to why you'd bring that up so ...insistently.

3. If scum read the lore. I said the SK or vig killed Gniz, not the scum. Judging by how you just said 3v3 is possible instead of SK, I'm starting to think you know that for sure. Anyway, I said that judging by Gniz' contributions etc, it wasn't the best decision to kill him. Perhaps they were afraid of targetting the wrong person and being killed by hat? Who knows? It just doesn't make sense to kill Gniz if you're mafia.

He said, "in these non-powered up games". Yet, it was shortly after that we found the watcher and tracker and guardian etc etc. Gniz was unpowered, or that's how it looked to me.


1. Hardly insisting. You made a point of why he would be the target. I brought up a point of how it could very well have been me.

2. I wouldn't trust any bombshells considering it would be in his interest to lead us in the wrong diriection. Also once again hardly insistanly I was pointing out a possibility you tossed aside based on the word of a scum.

3. I'm confused by this. I'll get to it in another post.



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Wonktonodi on 24 March 2011
theprof00 said:

Also something to think about, when I asked notstan who he would've blocked, he said he'd have taken a chance and blocked MG.

So, here's another question:

How did the kills last night happen.

Based on the flavor, the person who attacked Hat said "for the dragonflight". Therefore, Hat was the mafia target.

So, dsis attacked Hat, and Hat killed dsis. Meanwhile something killed gniz, but vig or SK? 

The symbol makes me think of notorious thieves or killers who leave their calling card, but I can't make the leap in logic to say that was the SK. I don't believe that mafia would've moved to kill him. And no Heph, Jaina Proudmore is a renowned healer, yet Gniz purposely claimed and said his role and name didn't match up. If scum had read the lore, they should've understood that he would never have given out his name with a simple "my role and name don't match up", as well as his comment of "I guess this is the way it goes in non-powered games".

Still, I haven't quite figured out why he was targeted.

First of all you did say scum.

Second you're saying that if scum read the lore and saw that gniz was a healer they should have not targeted him based on him saying his role doesn't match?



Wonktonodi on 24 March 2011
theprof00 said:
Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:

Hatmoza: "If the person I Guard is killed, I'm also killed but I still kill them."

Mafia directly targeted Hatmoza


Ok. Is that how the role is listed in the wiki as well?

what does that matter?

It matters because if it was clearly there in that way I'd leave it at that. Since it isn't though I think there is possibilites that hat lied to make scum think they would still have their target killed. There is a possibility he said killed instead of targeted.



Vetteman94 on 24 March 2011

My once love has been taken from me,

Anyway,

With regards to what theprof brought up on who NotStan would roleblock given another chance make me think Metal_Gear is a good choice for our next mafia.  Him throwing that name out there makes it seem like he was trying to make MG look town by saying it would be his choice as the next block.



Wonktonodi on 24 March 2011

Vote: theprof00

For his reaction to dsis being scum. His insintence that hat was the target. With how fast he came back with the hat quote after I told him how the flavor pointed one way looked planed to me.

For him saying that a SK or Vig killed gniz. Yet then saying a scum reading lore and dropping the Vig. Yet jumping on me for asking him a question that used scum.

Also for him taking the word of a hammerd scum as a way to make points.



TruckOSaurus on 24 March 2011

I've been racking my brain about the Gnizmo kill and I don't have much, other than:

- He was a pretty safe target for someone scared of hatmoza

- Him alluding to his role not being linked to his character could have misleaded scum to think he had a role and target him.

- random.org?



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